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Title: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: dormonid on July 10, 2016, 07:17 PM
Hi guys.

As most of you, I'm planning to buy a flashcart for snes and I want to  buy the best one possible. I think everyone agrees that this one is the best option. But here where I live it's hard to import items and I have to buy from local vendors who import themselves. The thing is there is a lot of Chinese clones out there and people keeps saying that Chinese clones are bad and can even brick when updated. The other problem is that I have no idea on how to identify genuine board. Some says that the deer painted on the pcb is the only thing that can differ the original and the Chinese ones. Please help me avoid trouble with the Chinese! (With pics if possible).
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: OneBagTravel on July 11, 2016, 02:02 AM
Some capacitors/resistors appear to be different. I have a Chinese version and it works flawlessly. No problems updating firmware.


edit: here's the results from the diagnostics test from sd2snes.de

TEST SUMMARY
============

Test Result
—————-
SD Passed
USB no run
RTC Passed
CIC Passed
FPGA Passed
RAM Passed
SD DMA Passed
CLK Passed
DAC no run
SNES IRQ Passed
SNES RAM Passed
SNES PA Passed

Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: wprpalmeida on July 11, 2016, 10:26 PM
Some capacitors/resistors appear to be different. I have a chinese version and it works flawlessly. No problems updating firmware.

I also have a chinese SD2SNES and it works flawlessly as well.

Theoretically, there should be no reason why the chinese SD2SNES should be out-of-spec, as all files necessary to build an SD2SNES unit are on ikari's GitHub. If you have the tools and the knowledge you could build one yourself.

But this is China we're speaking of, the pinnacle of shoddy QC/QA, so in the end YMMV.
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: dreimer on July 12, 2016, 03:16 PM
ikari once said that he was even asked by a chinese distributor if he can make his own. ikari just said that he won't give support for these, never that the firmware does not support em if they behave nicely. So updating of a good "clone" is nice and can be done.
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: RetroRGB on July 13, 2016, 08:02 PM
I have both an "official" one and just bought a Chinese one.  The Chinese one doesn't work with MSU audio games (just before the 4 min mark):  https://youtu.be/5i1XsTtCerM 
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: wprpalmeida on July 13, 2016, 10:26 PM
I have both an "official" one and just bought a Chinese one.  The Chinese one doesn't work with MSU audio games (just before the 4 min mark):  https://youtu.be/5i1XsTtCerM

that's very strange. have you measured the SD card access times?
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: FeverDrive on July 14, 2016, 01:15 AM
But here where I live it's hard to import items
Where are you located? If the resellers can import it you can do it too.

If the only option is buying local chinese quality products then test the cartridge before buying running the "diagnostics firmware".
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: RetroRGB on July 15, 2016, 12:48 AM
I have both an "official" one and just bought a Chinese one.  The Chinese one doesn't work with MSU audio games (just before the 4 min mark):  https://youtu.be/5i1XsTtCerM

that's very strange. have you measured the SD card access times?

Same exact SD card I use in my real SD2SNES. Good thought though. 
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: Arnold101 on July 15, 2016, 04:37 AM
 
QC/QA, so in the end YMMV.
what the fuck are you saying? i don't understand nothing  ???
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: goombakid on July 15, 2016, 05:32 AM

QC/QA, so in the end YMMV.
what the fuck are you saying? i don't understand nothing  ???

A quick trip to Google reveals:

QC/QA (http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/QA%2FQC)
YMMV (includes definition) (http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/ymmv)

TL;DGI (Too Long; Didn't Google It) China is known for some poor quality control checks and assurance for most, if not all, products. So, in the end, if you get a "China Version" of an Everdrive or SD2SNES in this case, you might get one that works perfectly or you might get one that has one part soldered on incorrectly. Hence, "Your Mileage May Vary".
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: wprpalmeida on July 15, 2016, 04:29 PM
I have both an "official" one and just bought a Chinese one.  The Chinese one doesn't work with MSU audio games (just before the 4 min mark):  https://youtu.be/5i1XsTtCerM

that's very strange. have you measured the SD card access times?

Same exact SD card I use in my real SD2SNES. Good thought though.

There's a DAC, to the left of the SuperCIC (the PIC 12F629 microcontroller) maybe there's some bad soldering around that area. If you want I can try to help you fix it, just PM me
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: RetroRGB on July 16, 2016, 04:10 PM
There's a DAC, to the left of the SuperCIC (the PIC 12F629 microcontroller) maybe there's some bad soldering around that area. If you want I can try to help you fix it, just PM me
I lent it to a friend to use until his real SD2SNES comes in the mail.  I'll check it when I get it back.  Thanks for the offer!
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: Arnold101 on July 19, 2016, 06:45 PM

QC/QA, so in the end YMMV.
what the fuck are you saying? i don't understand nothing  ???

A quick trip to Google reveals:

QC/QA (http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/QA%2FQC)
YMMV (includes definition) (http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/ymmv)

TL;DGI (Too Long; Didn't Google It) China is known for some poor quality control checks and assurance for most, if not all, products. So, in the end, if you get a "China Version" of an Everdrive or SD2SNES in this case, you might get one that works perfectly or you might get one that has one part soldered on incorrectly. Hence, "Your Mileage May Vary".
thanks. i hate who talk with abbreviations   >:(
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: xtreme777 on August 02, 2016, 05:15 AM

QC/QA, so in the end YMMV.
what the fuck are you saying? i don't understand nothing  ???

A quick trip to Google reveals:

QC/QA (http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/QA%2FQC)
YMMV (includes definition) (http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/ymmv)

TL;DGI (Too Long; Didn't Google It) China is known for some poor quality control checks and assurance for most, if not all, products. So, in the end, if you get a "China Version" of an Everdrive or SD2SNES in this case, you might get one that works perfectly or you might get one that has one part soldered on incorrectly. Hence, "Your Mileage May Vary".
thanks. i hate who talk with abbreviations   >:(

You must hate most everyone then.
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: XC3N on September 13, 2016, 06:38 PM
TL;DGI (Too Long; Didn't Google It) China is known for some poor quality control checks and assurance for most, if not all, products. So, in the end, if you get a "China Version" of an Everdrive or SD2SNES in this case, you might get one that works perfectly or you might get one that has one part soldered on incorrectly. Hence, "Your Mileage May Vary".

I believe TL;DGI stands for too LAZY; didn't google it ;)
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: StuMcBill on October 12, 2016, 06:49 PM
Is there anyway I can tell the difference between a "good" and a "bad" Chinese knockoff?
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: OneBagTravel on October 12, 2016, 11:48 PM
Is there anyway I can tell the difference between a "good" and a "bad" Chinese knockoff?
I've been here for months and have yet to see anyone with a "bad" chinese board. Ikari has reported that he's seen some that can't be firmware updated but if it was a major problem I'd imagine we'd see more people complaining on the forum.  Without pics of the board, I imagine it's near impossible to tell a good from bad build.
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: FeverDrive on October 13, 2016, 07:22 PM
Is there anyway I can tell the difference between a "good" and a "bad" Chinese knockoff?
I've been here for months and have yet to see anyone with a "bad" chinese board. Ikari has reported that he's seen some that can't be firmware updated but if it was a major problem I'd imagine we'd see more people complaining on the forum.  Without pics of the board, I imagine it's near impossible to tell a good from bad build.

I bought 2 chinese SD2SNES at different times and both had problems (The RTC didn't work and I can't update the firmware), I didn't make any comments about that in this forum because those weren't Krikzz products. I'm sure there are more people with the same problem.
The games run fine though.
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: RetroRGB on October 13, 2016, 11:03 PM
I bought one to test for myself a few months ago (I do own a real one) and MSU audio doesn't work on it.  I wouldn't trust them.
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: CZroe on December 07, 2017, 05:57 PM
I have both an "official" one and just bought a Chinese one.  The Chinese one doesn't work with MSU audio games (just before the 4 min mark):  https://youtu.be/5i1XsTtCerM
The pics on your site are extremely low-res (watered down on mobile?) but I suspect I may also have a Chinese version. Your video describes that MSU-1 doesn't work "at all." Have you tried cranking the TV volume up? I can barely hear the MSU-1 audio, but it is there for me. Mine may be original but I bought it used and I'm not getting MSU-1 audio after the Rev H mod. Unfortunately, I didn't test before performing the mod because I also have a Rev H, but I am confident that I didn't screw it up. Everything is aligned and connected properly and there are no shorts. Chip orientation is correct and I even switched to a spare board with extra care for alignment.

https://imgur.com/a/iQmAS

I wouldn't be surprised if it is real but simply broken.

Edit: It works! Looks like my isopropyl from cleaning up just got some places it shouldn't be and didn't readily evaporate.
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: Magpye on December 13, 2017, 04:31 PM
I recently acquired an SD2SNES from Aliexpress and it works perfectly. Build quality (outside of the shell) is on-par with my official Super Everdrive.
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: CZroe on December 24, 2017, 10:13 PM
I recently acquired an SD2SNES from Aliexpress and it works perfectly. Build quality (outside of the shell) is on-par with my official Super Everdrive.
Good to know. Did you test MSU-1?
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: fille1976 on December 24, 2017, 11:51 PM
Why you did that mod on rev H?,i believe thats the rev where the problem is fixed,its on the other revisions you need the mod.
I soldered that board and did another mod to come from rev E to rev H.
H is also the latest rev for sd2snes.
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: Magpye on January 03, 2018, 12:48 AM
I recently acquired an SD2SNES from Aliexpress and it works perfectly. Build quality (outside of the shell) is on-par with my official Super Everdrive.
Good to know. Did you test MSU-1?
Yep! It's working great. Super Road Blaster's VMVs are nice and smooth and the CD quality audio in the games sounds fantastic.
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: CZroe on January 17, 2018, 02:47 AM
Why you did that mod on rev H?,i believe thats the rev where the problem is fixed,its on the other revisions you need the mod.
I soldered that board and did another mod to come from rev E to rev H.
H is also the latest rev for sd2snes.
I didn't.
There are two SD2SNES boards in that album. I modded the rev E1b and the Rev H is for reference. I had the RevH before I got the E1b in a trade. It was for my nephew's Christmas present. :)

I recently acquired an SD2SNES from Aliexpress and it works perfectly. Build quality (outside of the shell) is on-par with my official Super Everdrive.
Good to know. Did you test MSU-1?
Yep! It's working great. Super Road Blaster's VMVs are nice and smooth and the CD quality audio in the games sounds fantastic.
Awesome! Good to know that MSU-1 does work on some of the commercial ones that Krikzz does not make.
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: Herrusa on June 05, 2020, 02:28 AM
The chinese have new SD2SNES Pro, they uses a Altera Cyclone II in this one.
https://imgur.com/a/pGz1W72?

The special chip games like Starfox, Mega Man X2, Super Mario Kart, Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island and SUPER MARIO RPG works out of the box without problems or firmware update(you can update this SD2SNES clone)

This clone of the SD2SNES is the newest version and uses the micro sd card, the old version have a red cart and uses the standard sd card.

Thes special chips works with this clone:
BS-X
DSP-1/1B
DSP-2
DSP-3
DSP-4
ST-010
Cx4
MSU-1
S-RTC
OBC-1
GSU (Super FX)
SA-1
S-DD
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: sdqfsdf on June 19, 2020, 06:38 PM
The chinese have new SD2SNES Pro, they uses a Altera Cyclone II in this one.
https://imgur.com/a/pGz1W72?

(...)

SA-1
S-DD

Do you happen to have a link or search term? I cannot find it myself on AliExpress.
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: Relikk on June 20, 2020, 12:10 AM
Seriously? Posting links to a clone device on the genuine manufacturers forum?
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: SkinnyV on June 20, 2020, 12:15 AM
Seriously? Posting links to a clone device on the genuine manufacturers forum?

Jeez, so tired of reading things like that. SD2SNES is completly open-source and its circuit, data and pcb gerber are offered officially for free to anyone by ikari. It is completly different than a chinese company cloning the Everdrive for example. Anyone can freely build and sell an SD2SNES and it is completly legit. Now some chinese company do have crappy quality assurance and testing on their product, but they’re not clone, they’re just SD2SNES build/assembled by a different company. Now, weither or not they should be advertised with link here is a different story, but those company are actually playing by the rules for once and they’re not « cloning » a product.
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: dreimer on June 20, 2020, 03:12 AM
Seriously? Posting links to a clone device on the genuine manufacturers forum?

Jeez, so tired of reading things like that. SD2SNES is completly open-source and its circuit, data and pcb gerber are offered officially for free to anyone by ikari. It is completly different than a chinese company cloning the Everdrive for example. Anyone can freely build and sell an SD2SNES and it is completly legit. Now some chinese company do have crappy quality assurance and testing on their product, but they’re not clone, they’re just SD2SNES build/assembled by a different company. Now, weither or not they should be advertised with link here is a different story, but those company are actually playing by the rules for once and they’re not « cloning » a product.

And I am sick of ppl saying that crap again and again.
He said SD2SNES Pro aka FXPAK. Maybe I am blind, but I am sure you can lead me to the open source pcbs and open sourced boot loader for the Pro maybe? You said it's open, so prove it! https://github.com/mrehkopf/sd2snes Otherwise everything said is true and the whole clone mess should be permamantly removed off this forum.
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: J^P on June 20, 2020, 10:52 AM
Seriously? Posting links to a clone device on the genuine manufacturers forum?

Jeez, so tired of reading things like that. SD2SNES is completly open-source and its circuit, data and pcb gerber are offered officially for free to anyone by ikari. It is completly different than a chinese company cloning the Everdrive for example. Anyone can freely build and sell an SD2SNES and it is completly legit. Now some chinese company do have crappy quality assurance and testing on their product, but they’re not clone, they’re just SD2SNES build/assembled by a different company. Now, weither or not they should be advertised with link here is a different story, but those company are actually playing by the rules for once and they’re not « cloning » a product.

And I am sick of ppl saying that crap again and again.
He said SD2SNES Pro aka FXPAK. Maybe I am blind, but I am sure you can lead me to the open source pcbs and open sourced boot loader for the Pro maybe? You said it's open, so prove it! https://github.com/mrehkopf/sd2snes Otherwise everything said is true and the whole clone mess should be permamantly removed off this forum.
Did you even check the link you posted? You answered your own question lol

(https://i.imgur.com/PmUzMjo.png)
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: Relikk on June 20, 2020, 01:42 PM
SD2SNES is completly open-source and its circuit, data and pcb gerber are offered officially for free to anyone by ikari.

I don't think so. The firmware is open to contributors, sure. The PCB schematics up to Rev. F of the old SD2SNES were public, and every revision from then onward was not made public, for the sole reason that the Chinese were manufacturing their own boards based off the Rev. F schematics. ikari doesn't even offer support for those boards because of the influx of people asking for help when their "clones" died because of the cheap parts they were using.
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: sdqfsdf on June 20, 2020, 02:56 PM
Wow... I thanked the person who shared the AliExpress link, and you censor both the link and my thanking reply?

So what that it is on AliExpress? I can make my own FXPAK Pro, it would be more expensive, but I could, and then start selling it on my website of choice. If that happens to be AliExpress, is that wrong?
They just call it "Rev X" if you search for it. I admit it's weird because of Revision H being the latest revision. But it is still based on the same design. I could change the pcb and put my logo on it, would that be wrong?

Can anyone shed some light on this? Seriously, I like to know how I am in the wrong here for getting a printed PCB, pre programmed FPGA etc, from a Github repo, pre assambled, from AliExpress/China?
If I am, I really gladly would like to know, because I do care about these things.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: sdqfsdf on June 20, 2020, 03:06 PM
SD2SNES is completly open-source and its circuit, data and pcb gerber are offered officially for free to anyone by ikari.

I don't think so. The firmware is open to contributors, sure. The PCB schematics up to Rev. F of the old SD2SNES were public, and every revision from then onward was not made public, for the sole reason that the Chinese were manufacturing their own boards based off the Rev. F schematics. ikari doesn't even offer support for those boards because of the influx of people asking for help when their "clones" died because of the cheap parts they were using.

Actually, that may perhaps be correct? I must admit having a lot of trouble finding the correct parts. I thought I found it eventually though.
The Github repo just needs a better readme, BOM list and cleanup/update.

Why wouldn't we want things to be open source? With the first link the chain is forged...
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: dreimer on June 20, 2020, 05:08 PM
Seriously? Posting links to a clone device on the genuine manufacturers forum?

Jeez, so tired of reading things like that. SD2SNES is completly open-source and its circuit, data and pcb gerber are offered officially for free to anyone by ikari. It is completly different than a chinese company cloning the Everdrive for example. Anyone can freely build and sell an SD2SNES and it is completly legit. Now some chinese company do have crappy quality assurance and testing on their product, but they’re not clone, they’re just SD2SNES build/assembled by a different company. Now, weither or not they should be advertised with link here is a different story, but those company are actually playing by the rules for once and they’re not « cloning » a product.

And I am sick of ppl saying that crap again and again.
He said SD2SNES Pro aka FXPAK. Maybe I am blind, but I am sure you can lead me to the open source pcbs and open sourced boot loader for the Pro maybe? You said it's open, so prove it! https://github.com/mrehkopf/sd2snes Otherwise everything said is true and the whole clone mess should be permamantly removed off this forum.
Did you even check the link you posted? You answered your own question lol

(https://i.imgur.com/PmUzMjo.png)

Where? I see no PCB schematics and no bootloader. >Rev F I mean
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: FeverDrive on June 21, 2020, 01:42 AM
 ???

(https://i.imgur.com/CHQXAd5.png)
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: dreimer on June 21, 2020, 03:27 AM
This discussion does not lead anywhere if no one reads what was said! REV F IS open source, but we talk about a FXPak here. Sliiight difference.
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: FeverDrive on June 21, 2020, 10:33 AM
You're right Dreimer, the confusion is because that Chinese SD2NES is NOT the pro even when it says so. It's based on the open source SD2SNES Mk2 (NOT pro, which is Mk3).

The chinese have new SD2SNES Pro
This is incorrect, the chinese product uses the word "Pro" but it isn't equivalent to the SD2SNES/FXPAK Pro.
It seems to be a variation based on some older SD2SNES Mk2, not sure which revision.
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: sdqfsdf on June 21, 2020, 01:26 PM
You're right Dreimer, the confusion is because that Chinese SD2NES is NOT the pro even when it says so. It's based on the open source SD2SNES Mk2 (NOT pro, which is Mk3).

The chinese have new SD2SNES Pro
This is incorrect, the chinese product uses the word "Pro" but it isn't equivalent to the SD2SNES/FXPAK Pro.
It seems to be a variation based on some older SD2SNES Mk2, not sure which revision.
Are you sure?

The Chinese "Pro" version seems to use a Cyclone 2. (The Cyclone 2 might be a copy/clone on there, but regardless)
The non-pro SD2SNES uses a Spartan 3 instead.

So, with that in mind, it seems like it should be in spec with the legit FXPak Pro, correct?


Edit:
Plus, the AliExpress "Rev X" aka FXPak Pro clone listing, explicitly states it supports SA-1 and MSU-1, which are exclusive to the Pro, right? (Information is all over the place, so I can't be 100% sure)

Edit 2:
Hmm, it seems the real FXPak Pro uses a Cylone IV, so indeed, the clone "Pro" is not a Pro indeed.
But neither is it like a non-pro, which used a Spartan 3.
Very odd, since the FW upgrade was working according to someone here a few posts back.

Edit 3:
There are mentions of the Cyclone II, for example in here:
https://github.com/mrehkopf/sd2snes/blob/a01fb3d6a1175b38fd077efcfac36d716d6807f0/verilog/sd2snes_cx4/main.qsf

But there are actual Cyclone IV features, that just won't work otherwise, not because it is not ported over, or enabled otherwise, but because the slower FPGA's would not be able to keep up:
https://github.com/mrehkopf/sd2snes/blob/e6e89598fb5a53a6d42b4676990b84e3d03a098f/verilog/sd2snes_sa1/main.v

So, I'm very upset that there is no BOM and PCB that is open source for the FXPak Pro, but I will be getting a "original".
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: lee4 on June 21, 2020, 04:05 PM

The Chinese "Pro" version seems to use a Cyclone 2. (The Cyclone 2 might be a copy/clone on there, but regardless)
The non-pro SD2SNES uses a Spartan 3 instead.

So, with that in mind, it seems like it should be in spec with the legit FXPak Pro, correct?


Edit:
Plus, the AliExpress "Rev X" aka FXPak Pro clone listing, explicitly states it supports SA-1 and MSU-1, which are exclusive to the Pro, right? (Information is all over the place, so I can't be 100% sure)

Edit 2:
Hmm, it seems the real FXPak Pro uses a Cylone IV, so indeed, the clone "Pro" is not a Pro indeed.
But neither is it like a non-pro, which used a Spartan 3.
Very odd, since the FW upgrade was working according to someone here a few posts back.

Edit 3:
There are mentions of the Cyclone II, for example in here:
https://github.com/mrehkopf/sd2snes/blob/a01fb3d6a1175b38fd077efcfac36d716d6807f0/verilog/sd2snes_cx4/main.qsf

But there are actual Cyclone IV features, that just won't work otherwise, not because it is not ported over, or enabled otherwise, but because the slower FPGA's would not be able to keep up:
https://github.com/mrehkopf/sd2snes/blob/e6e89598fb5a53a6d42b4676990b84e3d03a098f/verilog/sd2snes_sa1/main.v

So, I'm very upset that there is no BOM and PCB that is open source for the FXPak Pro, but I will be getting a "original".

All legitimate Krikzz builds sd2snes and FXPak Pro supports
BS-X
DSP-1/1B
DSP-2
DSP-3
DSP-4
ST-010
Cx4
MSU-1
S-RTC
OBC-1
GSU (Super FX)
SA-1
S-DD1 enhancement chips

Differences between Non-Pro and Pro is
Pro can load multi enhancement chips cores at once,
Non-Pro can load 2 enhancement chips cores only
and i assuming chinese build can load 1 enhancement chip core only

Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: Magpye on June 23, 2020, 12:17 AM
So, the only reason why the pro isn't open source is so that China stops cutting into Krikzz's profits? Cool. Also deleting my previous post? Double cool.
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: sdqfsdf on June 24, 2020, 01:09 AM
So, the only reason why the pro isn't open source is so that China stops cutting into Krikzz's profits? Cool. Also deleting my previous post? Double cool.
Yea, not really.

But StoneAgeGamer and Everdrive.me apparently have the files for the Pro version.
Maybe there has been some agreement on a kickback percentage so they can have it exclusively? And that is fine, but if so, be open about it.
Otherwise, the reasoning is... well, let's say we all are allowed to have opinions.
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: kr4534 on June 24, 2020, 06:55 PM
I suspect that I've found a problem with my clone SD2SNES that's not present on the genuine models, but hoping somone here can help me test. My clone is a Rev H and it can successfully play everything i've tested including Mario RPG, Star Fox, and Street Fighter Alpha 2.

It will not play N-Warp Daisakusen and I don't know why. It freezes at the intro video and after a battle on my US SNES. Anyone able to test/confirm on their clone?
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: Richardragon87 on June 24, 2020, 09:01 PM
I suspect that I've found a problem with my clone SD2SNES that's not present on the genuine models, but hoping somone here can help me test. My clone is a Rev H and it can successfully play everything i've tested including Mario RPG, Star Fox, and Street Fighter Alpha 2.

It will not play N-Warp Daisakusen and I don't know why. It freezes at the intro video and after a battle on my US SNES. Anyone able to test/confirm on their clone?

Can confirm it's the same on the real non clone version. Fun fact the game Actraiser 2 only works on one region the other will freeze after the map selection video this happens on both the clone and unclone of the SD2SNES even on the Snesadvance too.
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: kr4534 on June 26, 2020, 05:01 PM
Can confirm it's the same on the real non clone version.

Thanks, @Richardragon87. I've been getting conflicting reports. Can you confirm what revision you have?

Here's what I've found so far.

FXPAKPRO  - working on US NTSC (1 report)
Official SD2SNES Rev F - working on US NTSC (1 report)
Clone Rev H - FREEZING on US NTSC (my report)
Official SD2SNES - FREEZING on US NTSC (Richardragon87)
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: Richardragon87 on June 26, 2020, 06:57 PM
Can confirm it's the same on the real non clone version.

Thanks, @Richardragon87. I've been getting conflicting reports. Can you confirm what revision you have?

Here's what I've found so far.

FXPAKPRO  - working on US NTSC (1 report)
Official SD2SNES Rev F - working on US NTSC (1 report)
Clone Rev H - FREEZING on US NTSC (my report)
Official SD2SNES - FREEZING on US NTSC (Richardragon87)

As mine was a retrotowers model it has no alphabetical rev number it plainly just says REV 2.4

also for Actraiser 2 I dug up this past info it should be the same regardless of what device you use as it seems to be the same...

Only works on Japanese version on real hardware or SNESAdvance, Europe and USA freezes on map as does on SD2SNES

Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: kr4534 on June 27, 2020, 04:45 AM
also for Actraiser 2 I dug up this past info it should be the same regardless of what device you use as it seems to be the same...

Only works on Japanese version on real hardware or SNESAdvance, Europe and USA freezes on map as does on SD2SNES

Thanks for the info. Actraiser 2 works for me on my SD2SNES clone Rev H on my early US NTSC (non 1CHIP) using the 60Hz patch:
https://www.romhacking.net/reviews/4603/#review

For N-Warp Daisakusen, I think this game is just really sensitive to game timing and at a loss as to where to go.
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: kr4534 on June 28, 2020, 03:48 AM
@richardragon87 what CPU #/#/# do you have?
https://superfamicom.org/console-serial-database
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: Richardragon87 on June 28, 2020, 03:50 AM
@richarddragon87 what CPU #/#/# do you have?
https://superfamicom.org/console-serial-database

Hard to say as the retrotowers ones had no reference to what REV they were such as F and such. I can say I struggled to have the audio the right level on the MSU-1 channel as the Music always went over the SFX until I turned the boost off if that helps.
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: kr4534 on June 29, 2020, 05:00 PM
I've spoken with the home brew developer and my problems with N-Warp Daisakusen are compatibility issues with my SNES CPU 1/1/1 and not a problem of the genuine vs clone discussion. If you want the updated ROM for partial CPU 1/1/1 support, please message me.
Title: Re: Differences between genuine SD2SNES and Chinese clones
Post by: SlippyToadLives on July 16, 2020, 07:27 PM
so the Ali SD2SNES carts are clones of Krikzz's board not constructed from ground up using the open source documentation?

thats pretty lame. Ive heard even has Krikzz lettering on it

still $200 is seeming like a tough pill to swallow.

Do the latest flashcarts still go on sale on Black Friday typically?