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Title: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: Erockbrox on August 28, 2017, 11:27 AM
Since there are lots of people wanting SA-1 and Super FX support can there be like a cash bounty to whoever can make these chips work with the SD2SNES.

Like maybe a kickstarter or something to whoever will be willing to sit down and make compatibility with these chips happen.  This way there is an insensitive for someone to work on tackling this task. 
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: SmokeMonster on August 28, 2017, 08:11 PM
There kind of is a cash-bounty already for these, since support for either chip would sell more SD2SNES units :D
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: FeverDrive on August 28, 2017, 09:38 PM
Since there are lots of people wanting SA-1 and Super FX support can there be like a cash bounty to whoever can make these chips work with the SD2SNES.

Like maybe a kickstarter or something to whoever will be willing to sit down and make compatibility with these chips happen.  This way there is an insensitive for someone to work on tackling this task. 

Okay but what if someone takes the money and never delivers anything? Kickstater is a recipe for disaster.

There kind of is a cash-bounty already for these, since support for either chip would sell more SD2SNES units :D
But is a cash bounty just for Krikzz and his resellers because he manufactures the SD2SNES, they would be the only ones benefiting from increased SD2SNES sales...

I think someone with the technical ability should take the risk and if SA-1 or Super FX support is achieved he/she could sell the code to Krikzz who would directly benefit from it.
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: mario64 on August 29, 2017, 12:42 AM
Krikzz doesn't program SD2SNES. it's done by Ikari
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: Greg2600 on August 29, 2017, 02:46 AM
Multi-forum user MottZilla was interested in coding a few years back, but did not want to buy the SD2SNES. 
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: nuu on August 29, 2017, 04:48 PM
Krikzz doesn't program SD2SNES. it's done by Ikari
The SD2SNES is open source. Anyone can program for it.
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: Erockbrox on September 01, 2017, 07:10 AM
Krikzz doesn't program SD2SNES. it's done by Ikari
The SD2SNES is open source. Anyone can program for it.

Yes, and this is exactly why if a pile of money were put up by us users or whoever then there would be an incentive for someone to program the compatibility of the chip to then get the cash prize. I have seen bounties in other video game communities. Some people are willing to put up money just to see something happen and that's what I think would help SA-1 and Super FX support currently. 
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: FrenchyToasty on September 01, 2017, 06:42 PM
God idea but where do we pile the money and who's to say it'll lead to it getting implemented.

If ikari isn't coding it already with the profit made off of sales of sd2snes... I doubt anyone would be doing it. If there was people interested it'd be done already. I haven't given all hopes up yet but I don't expect it to be implemented. Ever.

With gems like Mario RPG and Mario World 2 Yoshi's Island for SA-01 and all those FX games... I wish it was possible to even hardwire those chips onto the SD2SNES... :(
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: FeverDrive on September 01, 2017, 08:20 PM
If ikari isn't coding it already with the profit made off of sales of sd2snes... I doubt anyone would be doing it.
As far as I know Ikari doesn't make any money from SD2SNES sales.
I could be wrong though...
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: Arnold101 on September 06, 2017, 06:31 AM
If ikari isn't coding it already with the profit made off of sales of sd2snes... I doubt anyone would be doing it.
As far as I know Ikari doesn't make any money from SD2SNES sales.
I could be wrong though...
correct, since even the card is open source and can be made by anyone.

btw is the sd2snes fpga capable of emulating this chips? or not ? :(
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: Gumball on September 06, 2017, 12:30 PM
If ikari isn't coding it already with the profit made off of sales of sd2snes... I doubt anyone would be doing it.
As far as I know Ikari doesn't make any money from SD2SNES sales.
I could be wrong though...
correct, since even the card is open source and can be made by anyone.

btw is the sd2snes fpga capable of emulating this chips? or not ? :(
Ikari had said they were looking into SFX support on the sd2snes blog as for SA-1 i have no idea.
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: Greg2600 on September 06, 2017, 05:45 PM
I believe Ikari is getting a license fee from Krikzz when units are sold.  As for open source, good luck, because from what I've read the language he used is not easy to code.
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: nuu on September 07, 2017, 03:01 PM
SD2SNES is using GNU General Public License v2.0 which means anyone may produce, modify and sell products using it as long as they keep the modifications open. There's no licence fee in it that I'm aware of.

He seems to be using verilog for the FPGA. That's a widely used hardware description language as I understand it.
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: leonquest on September 07, 2017, 03:24 PM
I had this same idea not too long ago. Once we had a programmer involved we can set up a patreon account for him, that way we wouldn't have to "trust" anybody other than the developer.
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: tic on September 08, 2017, 01:33 PM
I know one person  with high tech skill  in vhdl,fpga etc etc, i can ask if he is intereseted with a collect, but i can't promise nothing :D.
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: leonquest on September 08, 2017, 01:41 PM
I know one person  with high tech skill  in vhdl,fpga etc etc, i can ask if he is intereseted with a collect, but i can't promise nothing :D.

go for it.
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: Erockbrox on September 09, 2017, 05:59 AM
I had this same idea not too long ago. Once we had a programmer involved we can set up a patreon account for him, that way we wouldn't have to "trust" anybody other than the developer.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Find someone who is confident that they can pull it off and set up a patreon for that person or team. Then the programmer can actually get something for their time and work.
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: tic on September 09, 2017, 11:05 AM
I know one person  with high tech skill  in vhdl,fpga etc etc, i can ask if he is intereseted with a collect, but i can't promise nothing :D.

go for it.

Nope, he tell that he not know the snes. So not is the rigth guy to make this project. :(.
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: saturnu on September 09, 2017, 01:04 PM
i doubt, that there is anyone available who knows enough about the super-fx chip to implement it in hdl by heart. (except the guy who originally designed it, of course)
years ago ikari_01 mentioned on irc, that there is still some reverse engineering necessary. :D

maybe it isn't even possible with the current hardware and the old small fpga. ^^
some day when the current parts are getting harder to source, there might be a redesign anyway, i guess.
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: nuu on September 10, 2017, 01:30 AM
I think so too. ST-011 and ST-018 are already impossible with the current SD2SNES, so there is no doubt that there is room for a new hardware version one day when we know more.


The SA-1 is also probably not fully understood yet, so more reverse engineering is needed for that as well.
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: tic on September 10, 2017, 10:59 AM
As i know, back in time, argonaut made the fx prototype in actel fpga in the 90 years. Even if the fpga of sd2snes is little old.It should be much better that a fpga of beginning of 90 decade...

Another question, is nobody know how implement it jaja.
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: Greg2600 on September 10, 2017, 09:15 PM
i doubt, that there is anyone available who knows enough about the super-fx chip to implement it in hdl by heart. (except the guy who originally designed it, of course)
years ago ikari_01 mentioned on irc, that there is still some reverse engineering necessary. :D

maybe it isn't even possible with the current hardware and the old small fpga. ^^
some day when the current parts are getting harder to source, there might be a redesign anyway, i guess.

This guy knows what he's talking about. 
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: FeverDrive on September 11, 2017, 04:28 AM
i doubt, that there is anyone available who knows enough about the super-fx chip to implement it in hdl by heart. (except the guy who originally designed it, of course)
years ago ikari_01 mentioned on irc, that there is still some reverse engineering necessary. :D

maybe it isn't even possible with the current hardware and the old small fpga. ^^
some day when the current parts are getting harder to source, there might be a redesign anyway, i guess.

This guy knows what he's talking about.
Yeah, many people think it's just a problem of money and don't think if this is really something currently feasible.
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: tic on September 11, 2017, 01:07 PM
Thats because, when someone buy a 200e cartridge. They expect  he do all they should do. Not a  ohh

well sorry, to play this you need to spend another 200e in a another new cartridge.

So simply. The people can't think is feasible or not, they spend 200e so they asume is feasible automatically.
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: nuu on September 11, 2017, 01:25 PM
The problem is not enough people with the skill to pull it off are interested in it enough to spend all the necessary time reverse engineering and making it. If you paid someone skilled for all the required work, it might be doable.
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: leonquest on September 11, 2017, 11:20 PM
i doubt, that there is anyone available who knows enough about the super-fx chip to implement it in hdl by heart. (except the guy who originally designed it, of course)
years ago ikari_01 mentioned on irc, that there is still some reverse engineering necessary. :D

maybe it isn't even possible with the current hardware and the old small fpga. ^^
some day when the current parts are getting harder to source, there might be a redesign anyway, i guess.

the fgpa snes guy mentioned he'd be willing to give it a shot once he's done with his own project, and it looks like he is almost done. Maybe we can talk to him about it?

Of course he'd have to reverse engineer the hell out of these chips, but he's already done the rest of the snes hardware, so we know this is a feasible task for him.
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: saturnu on September 11, 2017, 11:56 PM
why not - it's worth a try. ^^
maybe he needs the superfx compatibility anyway, if he is adding rom support for his project.
after reading the thread on nesdev, i think he is definitely interested in some financial incentive. :D
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: leonquest on September 12, 2017, 12:43 AM
why not - it's worth a try. ^^
maybe he needs the superfx compatibility anyway, if he is adding rom support for his project.
after reading the thread on nesdev, i think he is definitely interested in some financial incentive. :D

yup, that is exactly what I meant. He sounds like the perfect guy for it.
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: FrenchyToasty on September 15, 2017, 03:11 AM
at least ikari is planning to start working on these chips himself arround 1.10/2.0
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: saturnu on September 15, 2017, 09:49 AM
sure, but in the long run we are all dead.
he is talking about gsu support literally since years.
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: leonquest on September 15, 2017, 06:51 PM
sure, but in the long run we are all dead.
he is talking about gsu support literally since years.

true. I really appreciate Ikari and his dedication to his project, but we have to face the facts, he's a father of 2(?) babies, has a day job like all the rest of us and very little time to program the SD2nes (no time for gaming?). On top of that, SA1 and GSU1 are way down at the bottom of his to do list, aside from fixing bugs and things that break down with each release or with every new feature, so at this rate he will work on it in 2030.

I say let's all help Ikari complete the SD2snes instead of just waiting around for him to do everything.
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: saturnu on September 15, 2017, 07:43 PM
i go with this.
he really would be the last one who would reject a working gsu commit on github. ^^
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: Greg2600 on September 15, 2017, 11:54 PM

the fgpa snes guy mentioned he'd be willing to give it a shot once he's done with his own project, and it looks like he is almost done. Maybe we can talk to him about it?

Of course he'd have to reverse engineer the hell out of these chips, but he's already done the rest of the snes hardware, so we know this is a feasible task for him.

That fellow seems a bit unrealistic in what money he believes is out there for crowdfunding it.

at least ikari is planning to start working on these chips himself arround 1.10/2.0

What is that now??
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: FrenchyToasty on September 16, 2017, 05:20 AM
https://sd2snes.de/blog/status
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: bidou67 on September 16, 2017, 03:41 PM
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Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: Greg2600 on September 16, 2017, 06:28 PM
https://sd2snes.de/blog/status

Ohhhhhh.  Well that could be 2020 at this rate, but I wish him luck!
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: FeverDrive on September 16, 2017, 08:23 PM
That fellow seems a bit unrealistic in what money he believes is out there for crowdfunding it.
Really? How much is he asking for?
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: leonquest on September 16, 2017, 08:38 PM
That fellow seems a bit unrealistic in what money he believes is out there for crowdfunding it.
Really? How much is he asking for?

he expects to make around 200k with his snes fpga code, but we are only talking about a couple of chips, not an entire videogame system. I'm sure there's a way we can make it worth his while.
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: Greg2600 on September 16, 2017, 11:03 PM
I'm kind of confused, didn't KevTris already code the SNES into his FPGA work?
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: leonquest on September 16, 2017, 11:42 PM
I'm kind of confused, didn't KevTris already code the SNES into his FPGA work?

there's no indication he's even started with that.
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: FrenchyToasty on September 24, 2017, 02:00 AM
to be honest I'd rather see Kevtris do something along the lines of a Hi-Def SNES. that would be sweet,
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: mrpopsicleman on September 24, 2017, 02:46 AM
to be honest I'd rather see Kevtris do something along the lines of a Hi-Def SNES. that would be sweet,

Someone else is currently working on an FPGA based SNES called VeriSNES. Here's the Youtube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/user/jwdonal
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: EverDriver on September 24, 2017, 12:57 PM
That likely to be a very good FPGA-based SNES emulator. Unfortunately not SNES.
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: leonquest on September 24, 2017, 01:30 PM
to be honest I'd rather see Kevtris do something along the lines of a Hi-Def SNES. that would be sweet,

Someone else is currently working on an FPGA based SNES called VeriSNES. Here's the Youtube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/user/jwdonal

thats the same guy I've been talking about. He's only making the code, he's not interested in making an actual snes.
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: Estil on September 24, 2017, 11:35 PM
That fellow seems a bit unrealistic in what money he believes is out there for crowdfunding it.
Really? How much is he asking for?

He need about tree fiddy.  But the important thing is that when Super FX and such support is ready, it's an easy software upgrade and no need to buy new hardware for it right?
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: Sarge on September 25, 2017, 05:45 AM
Okay, random off-topic thing:  I hit these threads, and my anti-virus (Sophos) complains blocks a risky/malicious website cdn.che.moe.  Is someone using this in their sig or avatar or something?
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: skaman on September 25, 2017, 01:32 PM
Okay, random off-topic thing:  I hit these threads, and my anti-virus (Sophos) complains blocks a risky/malicious website cdn.che.moe.  Is someone using this in their sig or avatar or something?
saturnu
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: FrenchyToasty on September 26, 2017, 04:05 AM
to be honest I'd rather see Kevtris do something along the lines of a Hi-Def SNES. that would be sweet,

Someone else is currently working on an FPGA based SNES called VeriSNES. Here's the Youtube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/user/jwdonal

all good, but Hi-def SNES would be a mod for real SNES to get full HD HDMI output. (like Hi-Def NES)
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: nuu on September 26, 2017, 05:05 PM
That guy claims he has a very good 65816 FPGA implementation for his VeriSNES. Making SA-1 may not be so hard considering it's also a 65816, but much faster than the SNES CPU.
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: goombakid on September 29, 2017, 11:18 AM
I'm hoping for Super FX support since the proper ROM of Starfox 2 is out.
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: mario64 on September 29, 2017, 01:33 PM
I'm hoping for Super FX support since the proper ROM of Starfox 2 is out.
Same here!
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: FeverDrive2.0 on September 29, 2017, 03:22 PM
I'm hoping for Super FX support since the proper ROM of Starfox 2 is out.

Can u place a link of the final version of starfox 2? the only ones i know are the unfinished prototypes or the complete (they say) Japanese rom.
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: Relikk on September 29, 2017, 06:10 PM
Nobody will post links. Just google it and you'll find it. I found it within a minute or so of checking.
Title: Re: Cash Bounty for SA-1 or Super FX Support
Post by: iwasaperson on September 29, 2017, 09:28 PM
I'm hoping for Super FX support since the proper ROM of Starfox 2 is out.
Also being able to play the various Yoshi's Island ROM hacks without having to make repros would be sweet.