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Title: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: KRIKzz on April 20, 2018, 12:24 AM
Finally, after years (:
https://krikzz.com/store/home/52-master-everdrive.html

Features:

.Wireless controllers for SEGA Genesis/Megadrive. Can be used with master system as well
.Low power consumption. Up to 150 hours of gameplay at one charge
.Power saving mode. Battery discharge time in this mode more than year. If there is no any activity for a few minutes controller switches to power saving mode, after pushing on start or d-pad buttons controller immediately will back to active state.
.Quick response, no input lags. Response time around 2.7ms
.Special compatibility mode with genesis 3-buttons and SMS controllers. Some games does not work properly with 6-buttons controllers, but joyzz offer compatibility mode to solve this problem
.800mAh li-ion battery compatible with Nokia BL-4C series. Such batteries became the standard and they easy to buy and replace in the end of life time
.Charging via micro-usb port


Special functions:

1. Force power saving mode: Hold MODE+A+X and then click START

2. Exit from power saving mode: START or any key on D-PAD

3. 3-buttons controller mode: Hold for 3 sec. MODE+START+C. Required for some games which not compatible with 6-buttons controllers. Golden Axe II, for example

4. SMS controller mode:  Hold for 3 sec. MODE+START+B. Required for some SMS games which is not compatible with genesis controllers.

5. Switch controller to normal 6-buttons mode:  MODE+START+Z

6. Sync controller with receiver: Hold sync button on receiver for 4 sec until led on receiver will start blinking. Hold MODE+X+Y+Z until led went out.

All compatibility modes (combo 3 and 4) will resets to default after power cycle on receiver

Receiver indication:

1. Constant led shining: Controller is not connected.

2. Led turned off: Controller connected

3. Slow light pulsation: Low battery level



(http://krikzz.com/pub/support/var/img/joyzz/joyzz-black.jpg)

Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: Theta55 on April 20, 2018, 01:09 AM
seems cool. wish it had the slow and turbo like one of my official 6 button controllers I have. still waiting for review thou.
Any means of making a corded one with all that?
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: FriendofSonic on April 20, 2018, 01:10 AM
Wow! This is exciting... I'm very curious to know if this replicates the feel of my favorite Genesis pad, the six button MK-1653.

Also, does the SMS mode offer pause button functionality in the SMS? I'm going to guess no, that would require a mod to the system itself.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: KRIKzz on April 20, 2018, 01:22 AM
seems cool. wish it had the slow and turbo like one of my official 6 button controllers I have. still waiting for review thou.
Any means of making a corded one with all that?

Corded version not planned.

Wow! This is exciting... I'm very curious to know if this replicates the feel of my favorite Genesis pad, the six button MK-1653.

Also, does the SMS mode offer pause button functionality in the SMS? I'm going to guess no, that would require a mod to the system itself.

Right, no sms pause
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: SmokeMonster on April 20, 2018, 02:49 AM
They turned out extremely nice. Well done, Krikzz :D
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: sonicjhn on April 20, 2018, 03:30 AM
Why the D-Pad left-right are not perfectly aligned horizontally with the Start button? The D-pad "right" button looks a quite a bit shifted down diagonally.

This doesn't happen in the Sega controller.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: Assman on April 20, 2018, 04:07 AM
Why the D-Pad left-right are not perfectly aligned horizontally with the Start button? The D-pad "right" button looks a quite a bit shifted down diagonally.

This doesn't happen in the Sega controller.

Check out this picture (the angle is much more in line with what's expected):

(https://krikzz.com/store/212-thickbox_default/master-everdrive.jpg)

This is extremely cool. I'll be very interested to see the reviews.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: James-F on April 20, 2018, 08:40 AM
Just grabbed a Joyzz, gonna' test the heck out of it.

I have to say that Hyperkin GN6 is a great replica of the Sega 6 button, and has almost the same feel as the original.
It's currently my main Genesis controller.
The D-pad feel and diagonals triggering will set apart a good controller from the average ones.

I hope the Joyzz is to the original 6 button, like the 8Bitdo SFC30 is to the original.

---
Is the receiver updatable, or unlike 8bitdo bluetooth modules the simpler 2.4Ghz receiver doesn't need updates?
What if something's wrong with the receiver, can it be updated?
I really don't want to RMA stuff.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: nihlathak on April 20, 2018, 11:14 AM
Nice, I have been waiting for these! Going to pick up a set somewhere soon!
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: Galron on April 20, 2018, 12:34 PM
How does it feel compared to classic Sega controller in build quality?

Any chance for an adapter for PC/RetroPie emulation? Maybe an adapter that would work with NES/SNES/Wii as well? Since  they can be hacked and run Sega games.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: KRIKzz on April 20, 2018, 12:51 PM
How does it feel compared to classic Sega controller in build quality?

Any chance for an adapter for PC/RetroPie emulation? Maybe an adapter that would work with NES/SNES/Wii as well? Since  they can be hacked and run Sega games.

I think it pretty much close to original controllers.
If demand will be good enough, i will make adapters for pc and controllers for another systems. In this case receivers for snes, for example, will be compatible with genesis controllers
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: ErivandoXP on April 20, 2018, 02:15 PM
Congratulations, it looks great!

I hope you make it to other consoles too!

Add to Wish List!
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: Galron on April 20, 2018, 02:35 PM
How does it feel compared to classic Sega controller in build quality?

Any chance for an adapter for PC/RetroPie emulation? Maybe an adapter that would work with NES/SNES/Wii as well? Since  they can be hacked and run Sega games.

I think it pretty much close to original controllers.
If demand will be good enough, i will make adapters for pc and controllers for another systems. In this case receivers for snes, for example, will be compatible with genesis controllers

Thanks, I meant SNES/NES Classic Mini Editions in my initial post since they use Wii plug type. Would definitely love to see an adapter for those.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: Retro-Nerd on April 20, 2018, 02:45 PM
Great work, Krikzz. And 150 hours with one charge is really something.

Quote
If demand will be good enough, i will make adapters for pc and controllers for another systems. In this case receivers for snes, for example, will be compatible with genesis controllers.

I'm pretty sure the demand is really high. People just need to know that you built a quality wireless Sega 6 Button clone. Would buy one of this adapters instantly.  :)

What about the Amiga? I mean the pad already supports the Master System games. Is it working  there too?


Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: James-F on April 20, 2018, 02:56 PM
Reviews will start pouring in after 10 days or so, the thing was released today and I don't think Krikzz sent review units to youtubers like Super NT did.

@Krikzz
The next big thing in demand is a DS3/DS4 to PS2 bluetooth adapter dongle.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: Thomu on April 20, 2018, 03:14 PM
Reviews will start pouring in after 10 days or so, the thing was released today and I don't think Krikzz sent review units to youtubers like Super NT did.

@Krikzz
The next big thing in demand is a DS3/DS4 to PS2 bluetooth adapter dongle.
http://www.brookaccessory.com/detail/44237976/

Also, you can use 2.1 edr bluetooth dongles if you use an open pos2 loader version that supports it.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: Galron on April 20, 2018, 03:56 PM
Probably could use high quality raphnet adapters too.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: James-F on April 20, 2018, 07:06 PM
@krikzz, why's the d-pad slanted?
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: FriendofSonic on April 20, 2018, 10:06 PM
I think it pretty much close to original controllers.
If demand will be good enough, i will make adapters for pc and controllers for another systems. In this case receivers for snes, for example, will be compatible with genesis controllers
Bruh. I'd use a six button Genesis pad on a SNES.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: sonicjhn on April 21, 2018, 02:35 AM
@krikzz, why's the d-pad slanted?

I also have the same question.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: FeverDrive on April 21, 2018, 06:04 AM
Great news, I hope Krikzz offers more wireless controllers for other systems in the future.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: NeoXbit on April 22, 2018, 03:37 AM
That's just amazing, I totally forgot that this was in development. Can't wait to get my hands on one of those.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: James Cree on April 23, 2018, 08:37 AM
I'll wait for v2 with the correctly aligned d-pad  ;)
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: fandangos on April 23, 2018, 02:13 PM
Awesome work, Krikkz!

Do you think a turbo/rapid fire option triggered by a buttom combo for on and off could be added to the controller firmware?

If you plan building other controllers for other systems this is a must with nes/famicom, neo geo and pc engine/turbo grafx.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: morgan on April 24, 2018, 01:21 PM
I'm really looking into good 15-pin controllers for Famiclone systems.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: Podmax on April 25, 2018, 11:11 PM
Just ordered one! I'm curious if this means we will be seeing a Saturn controller as well?
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: yoloswag420 on April 28, 2018, 02:36 AM
Theoretically can't you put a receiver in all future models of your flashcarts and have a special "RESET" (or "bring back to menu") button on your new controllers? Even a cheap IR just for this purpose perhaps?

Heck, even just have an ir remote come with the premium flashcarts to do wireless reset so I dont have to walk over to the TV (#firstworldproblems)
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: Thomu on May 03, 2018, 04:23 PM
I got my joyzz controllers today, they work great! one thing though. The receivers work on my master system model 1 but they don't fit all the way into the ports.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: James-F on May 06, 2018, 04:28 PM
EDIT:
The d-pad been fixed in the second batch on.
/end edit.

My Joyzz has arrived, here's my review:

Plastic is high quality and does not crick and crack when the controller twisted, very solid.
Buttons have the right balance between clicky and mushy, very similar to modern controllers.
Rubber domes have excellent quality, really well done.
Buttons do not rattle, except the x,y,z buttons which are slightly looser.
PCB is very high quality as expected from Krizz.
The 2.4GHz wireless connection is rock solid and instantaneous, unlike bluetooth that takes time to sync.

Here are the shortcomings in my mind that hopefully fixed in the next revision:

The D-Pad is slanted only on the controller mold but NOT on the PCB, I think something went wrong with the controller or D-Pad mold.
I do not actually notice that it is slanted during gameplay, only when I look at it, so not big issue.

EDIT: Yep, the D-Pad shaft is slightly twisted in relation to the arrows, this is definitely a defect.
Not only the controller d-pad mold is slightly angles (by design) but the d-pad shaft too, combined result in a too much twist of the d-pad.
For 65$ I expect krikzz to fix this ASAP and send new D=Pad's to people who already bought one with the d-pad defect.

It passes the Street Fighter II moves execution test with flying colors.
It is the best Sega 6 button controller in my collection as of now.
Overall feels great and plays great, definitely recommended.

85/100



Original Joyzz:
Slanted D-Pad from mold defect.
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/c5fc/86ra2u36g3o873tzg.jpg)

Joyzz PCB:
Straight d-pad contacts.
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/0d97/1cjx1a0nu7ti81dzg.jpg)

Defective Joyzz D-Pad:
You can clearly see it's not centered.
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/26e6/bcyo250f2lz14u1zg.jpg)

Fixed D-Pad:
I replaced the d-pad from Hyperkin GN6, now it's fixed.
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/b5e2/uf8yagu05bso08uzg.jpg)

Once again, I expect krikzz to fix this ASAP and send new D-Pad's free of charge to people who already bought one with the d-pad defect.
Krikzz usually treats these kind of problems with... silence... hopefully he will give attention to this one.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: KRIKzz on May 07, 2018, 12:49 PM
My Joyzz has arrived, here's my review:

I sent request to mold manufacturing company and waiting for response. Of course they can fix it, but question if how many time they need.
So you feeling any discomfort except visual aspect, may be false reaction on dpad?
During testing i play a lot in MK3 and it feels good, all combos and specials fires well. Controllers with low quality dpads, or even original controllers in bad condition become useless in this game. Especially clearly it felt with subzero and his ice specials, which constantly occurs when you don't want it, but you can't make it when you want.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: James-F on May 08, 2018, 09:13 PM
So you feeling any discomfort except visual aspect, may be false reaction on dpad?

No, no false reaction, it is clearly a manufacturing flaw.
For 65$ I think you should take the responsibility and send new d-pads for people who already bought the Joyzz and ask for a fixed d-pad in the 'order history' comment in the Krikzz store.

Yes, I replaced the d-pad from other controller that fixed the problem, but a brand new 65$ controller should have no defects or flaw to be fixed.
Once again, for a new controller that costs 65$ this is a VERY visible defect, playable or not, it should be perfect.

I don't think people would be happy with a twisted d-pad on a new Dualshock 4 controller that costs 50$ either.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: sonicjhn on May 09, 2018, 01:44 AM
I'll just wait to purchase when a rev. B controller with properly alligned D-pad become available.
Title: Re: Joyzz Available for order!
Post by: strygo on May 09, 2018, 08:07 AM
I ordered 2 joyzz pads and they finally arrived today. This controller is amazing.

For the last twenty years, every time I pick up a Genesis controller after playing the SNES, the first thing I'm struck by is how flimsy the Sega Genesis controller feels in comparison. The 3 button one feels cheap, and if I didn't know any better, I would guess that it was a third-party knock-off.

So besides the wireless aspect of the joyzz, i was hoping that krikzz would address this flimsiness, and boy has he. The controller feels very sturdy and has the right amount of weight to it. I had no trouble with the performance of the controller and my test was the globe special stages in Sonic 3. Especially the later ones require a high degree of precision on the d-pad and I had no trouble collecting the chaos emeralds.

For people fretting over James' tantrum everywhere, my recommendation would be to take a close look at the picture on the store listing. Both my controllers look exactly like the one pictured. Is it slanted slightly? Maybe? Could I detect any performance issues whatsoever? No, I honestly couldn't.

I'm a big fan. krikzz: please make a wireless Saturn controller.  ;D
Title: Re: Joyzz Available for order!
Post by: leonquest on May 10, 2018, 12:01 AM
I had no trouble with the performance of the controller and my test was the globe special stages in Sonic 3. Especially the later ones require a high degree of precision on the d-pad and I had no trouble collecting the chaos emeralds.
Try dynamite headdy for a real stress test. On the first level there is a training room where you constantly have to switch between directions and dibjects as possibagonals in order to hit as many ole. This should tell you how accurate the D-Pad is.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: TheNumberEight on May 10, 2018, 01:27 AM
https://imgur.com/a/meezHj0 (https://imgur.com/a/meezHj0)

I was excited to receive the two Joyzz I ordered today. I wanted to post a short review after spending the afternoon using them. There are many things to love about them, but also much to improve in a future version (or with a different contract manufacturer).

Lets start with the good. These controllers feel great. They are they perfect weight and the buttons press/depress perfectly. Many people are quick to point out the misaligned d-pad, but during my testing this didn't affect usability in any way. Inputs were both precise and accurate. While it isn't aesthetically pleasing, it shouldn't be the reason you don't pick up a controller.

Setup was a breeze; the controllers came paired to their receiver out of the box, and the 2.4ghz wireless is amazing. These controllers don't suffer the same interference experienced by my 8bitdo bluetooth controllers.

Where the controller really starts to suffer is with build quality and manufacturing. At the top of this post I included a link to an imgur album ( https://imgur.com/a/meezHj0 (https://imgur.com/a/meezHj0) ) where you can see what I'm talking about in the following section.


I ordered two controllers, a black and a clear. The black controller feels more solid than the clear one, but it did have a strong adhesive residue around the entire outside of the controller where the two halves meet. I was able to remove the residue with some work, but it was more difficult than I would have expected. The front of the black controller also suffers from some discoloration on the front, especially around buttons. It appears like some sort of solvent was used, perhaps the mold release, that stained and damaged the plastic. All that said, the black controller is far better than the clear one.


The clear controller doesn't suffer the same discoloration that the black one does, but it has its own issues that, at least to me, are worse. First, the controller is not as physically solid as the black one. Squeezing the controller causes it to squeak where the two halves meet, this doesn't happen on the black one which does not flex at all with pressure.


Second, being clear, you can see all the imperfections in the molding process. This will very from controller to controller, but on mine, you can see how the plastic flowed in the button pad area leading to some weird looking effects. You can also see all the extra plastic around where the mold ejection pins were, leading to these circles you can see through the front of the controller.


The worst thing about the clear one is you can see everywhere they messed-up during assembly; on my controller the center screw on the back of the controller broke some of the plastic causing some really terrible looking cracking. I feel the need to stress, I did not open these controllers up, this is how it was delivered to me.


As a final point, the receivers are just okay. They work well, slide into the console beautifully, but don't feel great. The DB9 connector, which I assume the pcb is attached to, floats in the shell to a limited degree. This means you can hold the receiver, and rattle the DB9 around. This isn't a problem for me and I'm totally okay with it, but it bears mentioning.


Overall I like these controllers and don't regret picking them up, but they are expensive and it's important that everyone knows what to expect. I hope that as Krikzz and the CM work through these initial teething issues the Joyzz will only get better.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: BRNexus on May 10, 2018, 01:41 AM
So it looks like these perform well, but there are some manufacturing flaws that need to get addressed.   

Yep, if these were only $25 I think most would forgive some of the visible defects, but at $65 they should be pretty much perfect.

With corrected manufacturing quality these could end up being the best Genesis controllers out there.
Title: Re: Joyzz Available for order!
Post by: Assman on May 10, 2018, 02:39 AM
For people fretting over James' tantrum everywhere

Don't do that. This is a new product and we need to encourage honest reviews, not discourage them. All he did was point out that a $65 controller shouldn't have such a glaring defect; that's hardly a tantrum.

Try dynamite headdy for a real stress test. On the first level there is a training room where you constantly have to switch between directions and dibjects as possibagonals in order to hit as many ole. This should tell you how accurate the D-Pad is.

This 100%; I can't think of a better D-pad test for the console. Trying to get through that room in the emulated compilation on the 360 really showed me how awful the diagonals were on my Street Fighter IV Fightpad.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: FeverDrive on May 10, 2018, 03:01 AM
You can also see all the extra plastic around where the mold ejection pins were, leading to these circles you can see through the front of the controller.
In any product with transparent shells you will always see those circles, they are inevitable.

on my controller the center screw on the back of the controller broke some of the plastic causing some really terrible looking cracking.
Something similar ocurred with the transparent red shell of the Everdrive 64 v3.0, the screws ended up stressing and cracking/breaking the screw holes. I guess the clear plastic is weaker than the opaque.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: Avlon on May 10, 2018, 03:38 AM
I received my controller today and after testing it, it does have one issue. The right on the dpad feels really mushy as if the rubber piece underneath is either  misaligned or bad.  Other than that, the finish, molding, feel of the plastic, connectivity, and response are all great. The slightly added weight over something like the GN6 actually feels good.

Still, the right diagonal is a pretty important piece to have an issue with. Pulling off shoryukens and Axel's Grand Upper worked, but not as consistent as they should have been due to the mushiness.

I will most likely request an exchange. For $65 (plus shipping) I prefer to be 100% happy and not have to open up the controller to exchange parts.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: James-F on May 10, 2018, 07:55 AM
Paint rubs off after few presses.
The Original and even the Hyperkin have much higher quality paint and does not rub off.

Cracked plastic, adhesive residue, twisted d-pad, paint rubbing off...
Functionality is still great but cosmetics and attention to detail is poor.

I think Krikzz rushed this release, hopefully he fixes the issues with the Joyzz in the next batch.

*D-pad from Hyperkin GN6.
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/722f/e1pkdvze6ux8m9czg.jpg)

A few more rubs,,, Start is gone.
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/fae3/8a2lezdx7hmeclezg.jpg)
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: TheNumberEight on May 10, 2018, 03:01 PM
You can also see all the extra plastic around where the mold ejection pins were, leading to these circles you can see through the front of the controller.
In any product with transparent shells you will always see those circles, they are inevitable.

You're absolutely correct about that, but in this case it's a little worse. Stress around those points caused the plastic to turn white making certain ones very noticeable. Again, this is purely cosmetic, but should be pointed out.

You can see examples in the attached album:
https://imgur.com/a/I9DgqPZ (https://imgur.com/a/I9DgqPZ)
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: KRIKzz on May 10, 2018, 04:19 PM
I think Krikzz rushed this release, hopefully he fixes the issues with the Joyzz in the next batch.

Well, actually it was longest of all my projects. Works were started back in 2016 year. But it was completely new experience, it was my first touch to wireless technologies and mold for controller is damn complex.  Was bit scary to release new product, to be honest, i still remember days when first everdrive were released and those bunch of unexpected flaws which were discovered shortly after it was been arrived to customers.  But i working over fixing flaws. I will send new dpads to our customers when they will be manufactured.


Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: hex12 on May 10, 2018, 07:41 PM
Krikzz, to receive new fixed dpads, for us that ordered the one with the defect, we must request in the order form of original order, with Q&A section, or you will do in automatic way without any request from us?
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: BRNexus on May 11, 2018, 03:18 AM
Paint rubs off after few presses.
The Original and even the Hyperkin have much higher quality paint and does not rub off.

Cracked plastic, adhesive residue, twisted d-pad, paint rubbing off...
Functionality is still great but cosmetics and attention to detail is poor.

I think Krikzz rushed this release, hopefully he fixes the issues with the Joyzz in the next batch.

*D-pad from Hyperkin GN6.


A few more rubs,,, Start is gone.


OK, yeah that is inexcusable.  For $65 the quality should be up to snuff.  Hopefully Krikzz gets things worked out.  I'm still interested, but will wait until manufacturing is up to higher standards.
Title: Re: Joyzz Available for order!
Post by: protheanbeacon on May 11, 2018, 05:51 AM
I'm a big fan. krikzz: please make a wireless Saturn controller.  ;D

8bitdo is already working on one of those and from what I've heard its practically near release so krikzz has pretty much been beaten to the punch on that front, which is all the more reason we should hope he takes James F's criticism's seriously and gets this d-pad issue sorted out ASAP as in we don't want our little yellow crooked smiley faced buddy to get discouraged from continuing the new controller creating endeavor.  :P

As I mean if krikzz Sega Genesis controller is successful perhaps he'll make some PS1/PS2 wireless controllers to finally give the PS1 wireless functionality and also finally give the PS2 another good wireless solution to use besides the wireless Logitech controllers for it.

I leave out mentioning the official or (third party?) other/Sony branded wireless PS2 controllers because I bought two of them and the rubber on the controllers was all nasty and gummy and I did not want to play with them as a result.
Title: Re: Joyzz Available for order!
Post by: Thomu on May 11, 2018, 11:37 AM
I'm a big fan. krikzz: please make a wireless Saturn controller.  ;D

8bitdo is already working on one of those and from what I've heard its practically near release so krikzz has pretty much been beaten to the punch on that front, which is all the more reason we should hope he takes James F's criticism's seriously and gets this d-pad issue sorted out ASAP as in we don't want our little yellow crooked smiley faced buddy to get discouraged from continuing the new controller creating endeavor.  :P
Are you sure you´re not confusing 8bitdo with retro-bit? All i can find about an 8bitdo sega saturn controller is this year's april fools joke.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: KRIKzz on May 12, 2018, 03:00 AM
Krikzz, to receive new fixed dpads, for us that ordered the one with the defect, we must request in the order form of original order, with Q&A section, or you will do in automatic way without any request from us?
We will send it by request via  Q&A section
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: davy on May 14, 2018, 12:52 AM
Will any EU reseller start selling Joyzz in the near future?

(Sweden recently introduced some changes to it's postal system that makes it a PITA to import packages from non-EU countries, so I like to avoid that hassle if possible.)
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: KRIKzz on May 14, 2018, 01:32 PM
Will any EU reseller start selling Joyzz in the near future?

(Sweden recently introduced some changes to it's postal system that makes it a PITA to import packages from non-EU countries, so I like to avoid that hassle if possible.)

Can't say, resellers do not inform about their plans. But i think they will sell joyzz
Title: Re: Joyzz Available for order!
Post by: protheanbeacon on May 15, 2018, 01:48 AM
I'm a big fan. krikzz: please make a wireless Saturn controller.  ;D

8bitdo is already working on one of those and from what I've heard its practically near release so krikzz has pretty much been beaten to the punch on that front, which is all the more reason we should hope he takes James F's criticism's seriously and gets this d-pad issue sorted out ASAP as in we don't want our little yellow crooked smiley faced buddy to get discouraged from continuing the new controller creating endeavor.  :P
Are you sure you´re not confusing 8bitdo with retro-bit? All i can find about an 8bitdo sega saturn controller is this year's april fools joke.

Sorry about that.

Looks like I got had. 

Though I almost could've swore I saw it listed on the amazon website for pre-order at one point.  :P

Anyway before I go speaking of April Fool's jokes/pranks I literally thought krikzz joyz project was one of them when I saw them on his store page, I was like whaaat? See, I didn't believe it at first because I think of krikzz as the Everdrive guy exclusively, not a dude that would be selling us videogame controllers at any point, though its cool that he is now and thus expanding his operation in such ways.  8)
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: Podmax on May 16, 2018, 01:40 AM
So I got my controller yesterday and put in a little bit of time with it last night. I purchased the clear one.

My initial impressions are that the controller feels good in the hand. I did notice that the plastic seal on the left hand side isn't as snug fit as the rest of the controller so if you pinch the controller between your index and thumb it squeaks a little. This doesnt occur while holding the controller in the way that you would if you were playing a game.

The receiver does seem a little loose in its housing as if you shake it there is a little give, causing it to rattle. This doesnt effect its functionality whatsoever. It plugs in nicely, no death grip. Synced right away and never dropped signal.

The buttons feel excellent!

Ok so after playing xGranadax and a personal favorite, Fatal Rewind, the D-pad being slightly angled is noticable to me. While it didn't effect gameplay, I found my thumb pressing on the upper corner of the right direction.

Since fatal rewind is an amiga port pressing up on the dpad  makes your character jump. At no point in the game did I have any weird button presses due to the slight angle.

While it didn't effect my button presses, I will be replacing my dpad.

Hopefully I can put some more use to it later and update with more play time. Just thought I'd give my first impressions.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: richpimp on May 16, 2018, 05:06 AM
I've been a longtime lurker on these boards and I, as I'm sure most of you do, own several everdrives. I've spent a number of years looking for good wireless gamepad solutions for classic consoles, first using official IR controllers (not recommended), to using Logitech wireless PS2 controllers via a SNES/Genesis to PS2 adapter from Tototek, which worked surprisingly well, and finally to using 8bitdo's excellent bluetooth controllers and retro receivers. After so many years of having at best adequate 3rd party controllers for classic systems, I was blown away by the build quality of the 8bitdo controllers, and having the ability to use them on real hardware was amazing. However, I have been wanting a Sega 6 button recreation (Genesis or Saturn), seeing as how the d-pad and 6 button layout are unparalleled for fighting games, of which I am a huge fan. Unfortunately, 8bitdo seems to be firmly in the camp of Nintendo only, so I needed to find an alternative. I saw the Joyzz was available and scooped one up right away, and here are my impressions of it.

It is one of the best, if not the best, 3rd party Genesis 6 button controllers I've ever used. As noted from other posts, there is an issue with the d-pad being off center, but it is only an aesthetic issue and does not affect gameplay at all. The shell is of a very similar quality to the original controller (I have the black version), and the travel of the buttons feels very good. In fact, I cannot notice much, if any, difference in the button feel as compared to the real pad. Back to the d-pad, it is very responsive and better than any of the alternatives I've tried, but I will say that there has never been a perfect 1 for 1 replica of the original d-pad. There's a texture to the d-pad and a smoothness to the travel that no 3rd party pad has ever reproduced, including this one. Again, though, compared to all the others, this is still the best I've used next to the original. For reference, it feels more like the Genesis 3 button d-pad to me than the 6 button.

The controller is super responsive, and I would even subjectively say that it's even more responsive than 8bitdo's offerings. I can always detect a tiny delay on the 8bitdo controllers, particularly when playing Street Fighter 2 Turbo, but I cannot detect any lag with this one in Street Fighter 2 Champion Edition. So far the connection has been rock solid and if the battery life is even half of what is advertised, then it is still one of the longest lasting controllers on the market, rivaled probably only by the Gamecube Wavebird or Wii U Pro Controller (both have excellent battery life).

Now, the best part, is that all the internals (d-pad, buttons and rubber pads) can be replaced with real Genesis 6 button parts. In fact, if you were willing to shave off the center standoff from the backplate, then you could even use the real controller shell, as the usb port will actually fit the square opening where the controller cable comes out, leaving just a tiny bit of open space around the port. So, of course, I replaced everything with genuine parts and now I have the definitive wireless 6 button Genesis controller! Perfect d-pad, perfect feel, perfect everything.

So, if you're on the fence, have confidence that you're getting a great controller. It's a bit pricey and there's obviously a few kinks to work out, so you may want to wait, but you're still getting a quality product if you pull the trigger now. If you have any authentic 6 button pads lying around, it is super easy to open the controllers and swap out the internals, which will give you as close to an official controller as possible.

Kudos to Krikzz for all the great products you've put out over the years!
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: chromium on May 16, 2018, 02:38 PM
Just got mine and I'm not impressed with the d-pad.

Pushing left on d-pad is really squishy. Up, down and right seem ok, there's a solid click feeling when you push. Not so when pushing left :(

Had a go at actually playing something with it and it's ok, have to push a bit harder on the left though. It even works on the C64!


Edit: I see that there's a known issue with the d-pad and replacements can be requested. Is this likely to fix my spongy left direction issue?
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: Sonic68710 on May 16, 2018, 04:14 PM
I see that there's a known issue with the d-pad and replacements can be requested. Is this likely to fix my spongy left direction issue?

Mine had the same feeling.  When I took it apart it had a clear defect on the part that makes contact with the pads.  I replaced it with a hyperkin d-pad like another poster suggested.  Works great now.  I just requested a replacement and will use the hyperkin d-pad in it until it arrives.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: ganonderp on May 16, 2018, 08:23 PM
Thank you Krikzz, you are a legend.  Although, I have to admit...reading some of these comments makes me  :o

Thanks for being upfront about the dpad issue and sending out replacements, I wouldn't have noticed it if I'm honest!

For such a high quality product that's never been done before it's amazing some people don't understand or appreciate your efforts.

Thank you and keep it up!

 ;D
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: KRIKzz on May 18, 2018, 01:18 AM
I expect to take new dpads in 4 weeks. I hope there will not delays on deliver or manufacturing. Keeping fingers crossed (:
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: hex12 on May 18, 2018, 01:41 AM
Mine arrived today and i checked for the dpad defect and found i am affected, same defect of users above. So i asked in Q&A for free shipment of another joyzz without defect. Awaiting for news from you. Let's hope you can have next batch without the defect and can resend to substitute the defect one.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: brandorf on May 29, 2018, 09:42 PM
Sorry, I'm new to these forums, but my controller is also affected.  Could someone please direct me to where I can request a replacement D-pad?
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: hex12 on June 12, 2018, 01:01 AM
i saw joyz are again available. Are they without the defective dpad?
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: Odin Belmont on June 12, 2018, 03:24 PM
i saw joyz are again available. Are they without the defective dpad?

That's what I want to know?
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: decommand on June 13, 2018, 03:02 PM
No defective !   :) :) :)
(https://krikzz.com/store/218-thickbox_default/master-everdrive.jpg)
(https://krikzz.com/store/219-thickbox_default/master-everdrive.jpg)
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: FeverDrive on June 14, 2018, 06:03 AM
No defective !   :) :) :)
Excellent news  8) can't wait for the reviews.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: hex12 on June 14, 2018, 11:42 PM
Now will krikzz send us who received the bad version a correct version of the pad or a correct dpad?
I asked that in the Q&A of my order, they answered "very soon" but i think we deserve a better answer and a shipment time, no?
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: nihlathak on June 15, 2018, 12:00 PM
Now will krikzz send us who received the bad version a correct version of the pad or a correct dpad?
I asked that in the Q&A of my order, they answered "very soon" but i think we deserve a better answer and a shipment time, no?

Warranty service instructions (http://krikzz.com/forum/index.php?topic=5125.0), even stickied on this forum. Use that to inform them you want a replacement d-pad and you should get your response. Much quicker and more easy for the storefront to handle your request.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: hex12 on June 15, 2018, 01:51 PM
Krikzz said some posts above that he should have sent a new dpad to whom received a defective one by request in Q&A.
I only acted as he stated in the post, however i sent a request also using warranty service as target.
Let's see the reply.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: BRNexus on June 17, 2018, 07:11 PM
Just placed an order for a Joyzz once I saw the D-Pad issue was fixed with current batch. 
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: KRIKzz on June 18, 2018, 04:27 PM
New batch of controllers with fixed d-pad, also we ready to send d-pad replacement to customers who already had controllers from first batch and want to replace d-pad. Please submit your d-pad request via contact us form: https://krikzz.com/store/contact-us
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: decommand on June 18, 2018, 05:16 PM
great,  good job!
thank you!
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: BRNexus on June 29, 2018, 01:15 AM
Krikzz, any interest in making other controllers. 
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: sonicjhn on June 29, 2018, 01:21 AM
Will the fading paintings also be fixed?
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: KRIKzz on July 03, 2018, 01:30 PM
Krikzz, any interest in making other controllers. 

Yes, we working over controllers for other systems.


Will the fading paintings also be fixed?

Next batch of shells in production and painting should be fixed this time
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: Terminator2k2 on July 04, 2018, 06:44 PM
cheers krikzz , recieved my replacement d-pad for my joyzz

before
(https://i.imgur.com/MDw1PjP.jpg)

kit:

(https://i.imgur.com/HMZH8oG.jpg)

complete:

(https://i.imgur.com/7i8ckhN.jpg)

great stuff
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: Riptide666 on July 04, 2018, 08:29 PM
Nice, did you get notification that replacement d-pad had been posted or did it just turn up? It’s been two weeks since KRIKzz posted they were ready to send out replacements and I’ve heard nothing.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: Terminator2k2 on July 04, 2018, 09:04 PM
i got a reply on the 21/6 saying they were sending out a replacement, didnt actualy get a shipping notice though....but i suppose i depends what side of the pond your on...im in the UK so 2 weeks roughly.....i didnt expect anything for at least a month, so at least you know hes shipping them out...
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: sonicjhn on July 05, 2018, 12:09 AM
Will the fading paintings also be fixed?

Next batch of shells in production and painting should be fixed this time

Thanks Krikzz! Can you tell when the next batch will become available in the shop?
After the fixing of the paintings, I want to purchase the controller immediatly!
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: Riptide666 on July 05, 2018, 12:47 AM
Thanks Terminator2k2, I'm in the UK as well so hopefully replacements will arrive soon.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: stlpaul on July 06, 2018, 04:18 AM
I got my joyzz today from stone age gamer. Works great!

A feature request, if it is possible in firmware update: to assign x y z buttons as turbo for a b c buttons when the controller is in 3-button or sms mode.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: DMon on July 07, 2018, 02:09 AM
I received my replacement d-pad kit today (in the USA). Installation was easy, though pushing in the small plate that holds the d-pad required more force than expected. Thankfully I don't think I'll never need to take it apart again since the d-pad feels much better now. I'm looking forward to trying it out later today.

...(sometime later)...I tried it, it works great.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: FeverDrive on July 07, 2018, 09:45 PM
A feature request, if it is possible in firmware update: to assign x y z buttons as turbo for a b c buttons when the controller is in 3-button or sms mode.
Having this feature would be nice.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: stlpaul on July 07, 2018, 11:06 PM
I was about an hour into playing Final Fight and started to have bad controller lag (get stuck walking the same direction, punches not registering, etc) and random disconnect (red LED on joyzz receiver would light up for a few seconds). Controller was fully charged before the game. Nobody was using a microwave oven in my house.

Anybody had the same problem?
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: BRNexus on July 08, 2018, 03:08 AM
Received my Joyzz controller.   It works great and feels great.   

Though, I have some minor complaints that I think Krikzz should consider looking into. 

- Weird sticky residue on the bottom edges of controller.  Came off with rubbing alcohol, but kinda weird it was there.

- Krikzz and Start button logo finish is too weak.  You can easily rub them off with your thumb. 

Hopefully, these things can get sorted out down the road.  At $65 + Shipping there should be no issues like that.   
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: James-F on July 08, 2018, 09:01 AM
I have received my new d-pad, it's much better.

This is a great controller, works perfectly in every aspect.
As I said in my first review, this is my main Genesis controller now, it is excellent.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: Excalibur007 on July 08, 2018, 09:48 PM
I received mine (black version) several days ago and it feels like very nice quality, but I have a couple of concerns:

 - There seems to be no LED on this version so I cannot see its status.
 - It came in a nice box, but did not include instructions.  There should really be a small instruction sheet about how to use its different modes.

Also of note:
 - It only partly works with the AtGames Genesis Flashback HD.  It seems to work great at first, but the directions get stuck in game.  So, it ends up holding left or right, etc.  This seems to correct itself after certain button combinations.  I don't blame the controller for this though... more likely an issue with the emulator (or possibly a conflict with the already wireless function of the console itself).

 - It works great with my Atari 2600 and 7800 (with a Genesis-to-7800 Adapter I made), so I would assume it works great with the C-64, Amiga, etc.

Receiver indication:

1. Constant led shining: Controller is not connected.
2. Led turned off: Controller connected
3. Slow light pulsation: Low battery level
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: stlpaul on July 08, 2018, 10:44 PM
It only partly works with the AtGames Genesis Flashback HD.  It seems to work great at first, but the directions get stuck in game.  So, it ends up holding left or right, etc.  This seems to correct itself after certain button combinations.  I don't blame the controller for this though... more likely an issue with the emulator (or possibly a conflict with the already wireless function of the console itself).

I have had the same problem on a real genesis (read a few posts up). Hopefully it's not an ongoing issue...
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: stlpaul on July 08, 2018, 10:47 PM
There seems to be no LED on this version so I cannot see its status.[/b]

Note the LED described is on the receiver, not the controller.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: BRNexus on July 08, 2018, 10:53 PM
Krikzz, is there any way you can do another button option for two button 7800 games?    To get two button 7800 games to work on an original Genesis controller you have to rewire the Genesis cables, but perhaps with Joyzz you can achieve this via software.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: Excalibur007 on July 09, 2018, 12:23 AM
Note the LED described is on the receiver, not the controller.

Ah, thanks!

Krikzz, is there any way you can do another button option for two button 7800 games?    To get two button 7800 games to work on an original Genesis controller you have to rewire the Genesis cables, but perhaps with Joyzz you can achieve this via software.

I use a Genesis-to-7800 adapter that I made years ago and it works great.  (I just added that note to my earlier post to avoid confusion).  This adapter also works with the Colecovision, since the Coleco uses the same 2nd button wiring/resistor as the 7800.  Although a software solution would be great also.

Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: BRNexus on July 09, 2018, 01:40 AM
Note the LED described is on the receiver, not the controller.

Ah, thanks!

Krikzz, is there any way you can do another button option for two button 7800 games?    To get two button 7800 games to work on an original Genesis controller you have to rewire the Genesis cables, but perhaps with Joyzz you can achieve this via software.

I use a Genesis-to-7800 adapter that I made years ago and it works great.  (I just added that note to my earlier post to avoid confusion).  This adapter also works with the Colecovision, since the Coleco uses the same 2nd button wiring/resistor as the 7800.  Although a software solution would be great also.

Well there is this adapter for $25 I might pick up. 

https://edladdin.com/Seagull-78-Controller-Adapter-ec-2-001.htm (https://edladdin.com/Seagull-78-Controller-Adapter-ec-2-001.htm)
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: Excalibur007 on July 09, 2018, 03:05 AM
Well there is this adapter for $25 I might pick up. 

https://edladdin.com/Seagull-78-Controller-Adapter-ec-2-001.htm (https://edladdin.com/Seagull-78-Controller-Adapter-ec-2-001.htm)

Yes, that should work just fine.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: chromium on July 11, 2018, 11:05 AM
Got my replacement d-pad today (Australia)

Installed it a few minutes ago, it feels so much better now.

Thanks Krikzz for the great product and support :)
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: KRIKzz on July 12, 2018, 11:28 AM
I was about an hour into playing Final Fight and started to have bad controller lag (get stuck walking the same direction, punches not registering, etc) and random disconnect (red LED on joyzz receiver would light up for a few seconds). Controller was fully charged before the game. Nobody was using a microwave oven in my house.

Anybody had the same problem?

For such problem can be few reasons:
1. radio interferences. It could be due the heavy loaded 2.4ghz band in your area, especially if you living in apartments and many neighbor's wifi and bluetooth devices in nearby. In this case you can try to use cinfiguration tool "jconfig" and change RF mode to mode-b. Mode-b has better interference immunity, but shorter battery life.
2. Out of range. In zone line of sight range could be 10-20 metters, but any obstacles can reduce this range drastically, especially metal obstacles. Also if you close up your forefingers in area near charging usb plug, it will reduce range a bit as well. Radio antenna located in this area and you fingers will absorb part of transmitter energy.
3. Mix of mentioned abow factors. This is worst case.


Thanks Krikzz! Can you tell when the next batch will become available in the shop?
After the fixing of the paintings, I want to purchase the controller immediatly!

My estimation 1-2 months
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: stlpaul on July 13, 2018, 06:58 AM
In my case I'm in a basement (concrete walls) so no other wifi detected, other than my own and I'm using 5ghz mostly. Sitting just 2m from the receiver, nothing between us. I hold my fingers on the bottom.

So far it only happened that once, I'll play more and see how it goes. If it happens more I'll try the other mode. Thanks for the information.  :)
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: BRNexus on July 15, 2018, 12:39 AM
Krikzz,  you make a NES or SNES wireless controller and I'll be there day one.   Really happy with my Joyzz with the exception of the faded logos. 
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: BRNexus on July 15, 2018, 12:42 AM
It only partly works with the AtGames Genesis Flashback HD.  It seems to work great at first, but the directions get stuck in game.  So, it ends up holding left or right, etc.  This seems to correct itself after certain button combinations.  I don't blame the controller for this though... more likely an issue with the emulator (or possibly a conflict with the already wireless function of the console itself).

I have had the same problem on a real genesis (read a few posts up). Hopefully it's not an ongoing issue...

Wait, I thought 2600 doesn't have a active 5V line on the controller port. 
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: Mattroid on July 15, 2018, 02:33 AM
Got mine in recently and am happy so far. I wish I'd waited for the paint fixed version but it is what it is. I don't suppose there might be some way for those of us with 1st or 2nd batch models to order just a new face with the fixed paint, eh? I'm not sure if my OCD will be able to handle it once it starts rubbing off ::)

I also didn't think ahead for some reason and get one black and one clear so I may need to label them so as to not get them confused. Oops!  ;D
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: McFly1986 on July 17, 2018, 08:27 PM
Has anyone else noticed that you can completely press in the dpad on joyzz? As in, you can press the center and activate all four directions of the dpad at once? Most controllers "rock" from one side to another.

Is this common on OEM genesis controllers?
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: KRIKzz on July 20, 2018, 02:42 PM
Has anyone else noticed that you can completely press in the dpad on joyzz? As in, you can press the center and activate all four directions of the dpad at once? Most controllers "rock" from one side to another.

Is this common on OEM genesis controllers?

Actually you can't. This is possible only if upper part of dpad is not fully inserted in bottom part. Did you replace dpad yourself or joyzz comes already in such condition? If you replaced your dpad yourself, then you should apply some force to insert it completely
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: BRNexus on July 22, 2018, 03:24 AM
Has anyone else noticed that you can completely press in the dpad on joyzz? As in, you can press the center and activate all four directions of the dpad at once? Most controllers "rock" from one side to another.

Is this common on OEM genesis controllers?

I have both Joyzz and OEM 6 button controller.  You cannot activate all 4 pads at once on either controller.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: DodgeThis on August 03, 2018, 12:06 PM
"This product is no longer in stock" There will be more? when?
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: ewok on August 05, 2018, 02:34 AM
That’s what I like to know too. This is a little vague...... :-\
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: KRIKzz on August 07, 2018, 06:56 PM
We waiting for some parts. I can't give restock estimation at the moment.
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: DodgeThis on August 31, 2018, 08:25 PM
ok Thx! i will be waintig  8)
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: Shevron on October 05, 2018, 03:30 PM
controller are already available
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: decommand on October 06, 2018, 06:30 PM
great!
Title: Re: Joyzz Availalbe for order!
Post by: sonicjhn on December 24, 2018, 04:16 PM
controller are already available

Did the fading paint issue was fixed?