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Offline Localhorst86

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issues with NTSC games on my PAL N64
« on: October 23, 2015, 11:58 PM »
Hello chaps,

While this issue arises with my ED64 I figured it's a general problem not directly related or caused by the ED64 so I am posting this in the off topic section instead.

First, my setup:
Samsung UE40C6000 HDTV
PAL N64 with composite cable connected to the TV
Onkyo TX-NR509 AV Receiver
ED64 v2.53 with ultraCIC

PAL games run fine, but when I run NTSC games I get weird colors and "ghosting". I have made a video of the issue here, showing me running F-Zero X PAL, then the 64DD NTSC variant:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VRQi8voEQg

This issue appears with both the N64 connected through my AV receiver as well as directly to the TV. Is there something I can try to remedy this issue? A certain kind of cable or cheap box I can buy to actually enjoy NTSC games?

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Localhorst86

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Re: issues with NTSC games on my PAL N64
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2015, 12:09 PM »
The best way to fix this issue is to use a rgb output , you can mod your pal n64 with that :

http://etim.net.au/shop/shop.php?crn=209&rn=548&action=show_detail

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Re: issues with NTSC games on my PAL N64
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2015, 12:28 PM »
While I figured the best way would be an RGB mod, this is neither exactly "cheap" (I mean, its not expensive either, but still) or easy. I really suck at soldering, I probably couldn't solder this if my life was at stake... :D

And getting it soldered in would add to the costs, too.

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Re: issues with NTSC games on my PAL N64
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2015, 12:46 PM »
Maybe you could find a n64 already rgb modded ?
Sorry but ,  afaik it's the best cure to this problem (and all your games will be more beautiful) composite sucks ...

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Re: issues with NTSC games on my PAL N64
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2015, 07:02 PM »
are you using scart cable?

because NTSC signal general do not like going through scart cables.
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Re: issues with NTSC games on my PAL N64
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2015, 07:06 PM »
No, i am using a Composite cable, not SCART. I should point out that it does actually work on my fathers (SD) projector but not on my HDTV.

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Re: issues with NTSC games on my PAL N64
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2015, 05:59 AM »
I've encountered this issue as well on some tv's when running NTSC games on a PAL n64. Same with the 60hz modded pal snes I have also. NTSC games make the PAL machine output PAL at 60hz and for some reason the the way the machine outputs this
does not always agree with the circuitry of the TV with such artifacts happening. I've had this happen on a couple of sets but not all of them. Other TV's simply go black and white and other TV's it's not a problem. Generally speaking it's how the TV decodes it that's the issue. Usually not a problem on sony's but i've had this issue with a philips, toshiba flatscreen and both a samsung crt and led flatscreen. Try hooking the n64 up to another TV and see what happens. I've found that the TV's that there is no issue on tend to have a very good comb filter in them and output a very nice picture on composite. Even the cheap chinese made tv's i got lying around here work well with no problems. Give this a go or if as GreatFunky mentioned, go down the RGB mod route. This is on my to-do list as well. Best of luck mate!

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Re: issues with NTSC games on my PAL N64
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2015, 11:55 AM »
The N64 doesn't really output pal 60 (a modern Samsung UE40C6000 support it easily), it's a kind of ntsc /pal mixed signal , and yes some tvs for a reason or another can display it properly but a minority !
I guess ,testing  a hundred of TV's model , to find the good one isn't an option .

The best thing to do for Localhorst86 is to go to ebay and buy a pal French already rgb modified , you could  find one around 50 euro and shipping to Germany shouldn't be very expensive ....

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Re: issues with NTSC games on my PAL N64
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2015, 02:30 PM »
The N64 doesn't really output pal 60 (a modern Samsung UE40C6000 support it easily), it's a kind of ntsc /pal mixed signal , and yes some tvs for a reason or another can display it properly but a minority !
I guess ,testing  a hundred of TV's model , to find the good one isn't an option .

The best thing to do for Localhorst86 is to go to ebay and buy a pal French already rgb modified , you could  find one around 50 euro and shipping to Germany shouldn't be very expensive ....

Might do that early next year, we'll see. Right now I am having my eye on a Wii U.