EDN8 OS v20-BETA. Large update incoming

[keeper7]

Just reporting.
I updated from rc5 (which was working fine) to rc7 and now I keep getting I/O Errors.
I downgraded to rc5 and everything is working fine.

[AkumajouBelmondo86]

was playing Adventure Island 1 last night with the rc7 update for the N8 NES, the only thing i noticed that sounded slightly off was the main character when he throws his Hammer power-up, it sounded off key compared to the original cart, same with the intro music, like the tempo was a bit off as well, just a heads up. Like it sounded slightly distorted.

[James-F]

That is very strange.
Adventure Island 1 uses mapper 3 which has nothing to do with N8 expansion audio.
What you hear is pure 2A03 (CPU+APU) from your NES console and should have zero difference from the original cartridge.

How do you compare exactly?
Side by side switching quickly between the two recordings, is how a proper audio comparison is done.

[AkumajouBelmondo86]

yes thats how i normally do the comparisons, unless its the version of the game im using, but its definitely different, like his Hammer throw sound is a little low, compared to the original cart, which is high pitched. Is there a difference with any versions of the ROM out there?

[James-F]

Are you using the PAL (E) rom by any chance?

[AkumajouBelmondo86]

No im using (U) (!)

[James-F]

Provide the two recordings then, in a zip file.
Use https://www.zippyshare.com/

The recordings have to be recorded with a cable into your sound card,, NOT a phone capture of your TV.

[AkumajouBelmondo86]

Unfortunately i dont have that type of Cable for my sound card so i cant really upload anything at this time, my comparisons are done through NEStopia and my N8, ive been using NEStopia for years for sound comparisons. and it has not failed me in the least.

[James-F]

So are you comparing to original cart or Nestopia?
Sounds identical to me Nestopia vs N8, and I'm a trained musician and have studio equipment all around me if you need a recording.

[AkumajouBelmondo86]

Yeah can you upload the comparisons for me, since i dont really have a way to? i'd really appreciate it. its weird because the version of that ROM does not sound like that on NEStopia, on the N8, it just sounds off to me. I know im not going crazy here lol. (im comparing the N8 to NEStopia)

Update: here's a Video i recently compared the N8 to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly734lgeIAs

[James-F]

https://www42.zippyshare.com/v/63ZIken1/file.html

I hear what you mean.
There is a random raise in pitch each hammer throw, Nestopia does the higher pitch more often than the 2A03 (I'm specifically not saying N8).
Nestopia is an EMULATOR and may sound wrong, but the 2A03 chip is the real deal and obviously can't sound wrong.
So there you go, you can report that at the Nestopia forums.

I feel the need to say it one more time, 2A03 (console internal) audio has NOTHING to do with the expansion audio in the N8.

[AkumajouBelmondo86]

Interesting, thanks for your help, The World Of Longplays video i uploaded in my last post is a good comparison too if you wanna check it out, it sounds exactly the same as the NEStopia. And they run there games off the original hardware.

[AkumajouBelmondo86]

AH! it appears my Theory is correct, The N8 audio for Adventure Island is indeed incorrect for the game music and the hammer throw, i found this Video with someone playing it on the original cart on NES hardware and the comparison is definitely there, i mean im not here to make a debate or anything, but im definitely pointing out the obvious sound errors the N8 is incorrectly putting out. Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_C-Yql7bHg  (Compare this to the N8 if anyone wishes to do so)

Update: I know the project firmwares are still a work in progress, but im here to help and support the EverDrive community by giving opinions so that way it will make for better gaming for us Retro fans out here, So its all good

[Jdurg]

Are you 100% sure that the video you linked to was done on a console and not on an emulator?  I did not see any indication in the description, or in the video itself, to definitively say that it was a console run.

I'm not trying to be a pest, but just re-iterating that in order to properly assess the issue, there has to be 100% confirmation that the references used are actual consoles without any additional modifications performed that could impact the audio.  That video just doesn't have that 100% confirmation, so it'd be dangerous to use that as the reference point.

[James-F]

This confirms it.
Consistent sound from the hammer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWUFDSsm-SQ