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Offline FeverDrive

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Re: 40 Winks Rom?
« Reply #30 on: March 23, 2019, 05:39 AM »
GOG is utterly fantastic (no DRM!), and I don't know why more people don't support it.
Yep, GOG is great. I think it needs more marketing efforts?
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Re: 40 Winks Rom?
« Reply #31 on: March 23, 2019, 05:18 PM »
I've seen 40 Winks Piko's version running. THey do take the time to modify things like adding their branding/splash page to the game. Most likely some other 'fixes'.

YOu can see the copyright screen, and company flash screen here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrE13TQv09c
« Last Edit: March 24, 2019, 08:28 PM by Galron »

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Re: 40 Winks Rom?
« Reply #32 on: March 23, 2019, 07:47 PM »
GOG does not allow anyone and anything on there. IIRC Piko tried and was rejected by them, you should find the details on their twitter.

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Re: 40 Winks Rom?
« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2019, 08:15 PM »
It probably helps if enough people request the games via the Wishlist feature. Piko does sell a handful of games there though, mostly PC releases.

As for Piko releases does anyone ever see their roms get out into the wild (other than that Water Margin game on Sega Genesis)? Since they go after people who pirate them, and prevent them from buying new games. Plus is there any indication that they'll work on flashcarts even? I know Krikkz doesn't intentionally support them or any games that currently being sold, as far as I know?
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Re: 40 Winks Rom?
« Reply #34 on: March 25, 2019, 09:46 PM »
Plus is there any indication that they'll work on flashcarts even?

Playtesting last August was done on a 64drive for NTSC and PAL, so they do work.
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Re: 40 Winks Rom?
« Reply #35 on: April 01, 2019, 04:40 PM »
GOG does not allow anyone and anything on there. IIRC Piko tried and was rejected by them, you should find the details on their twitter.

Surprisingly not only has Piko released games before on GOG.

Another company Big Evil Corporation who made Tanglewood, has their game up on the service, and it even comes with the rom as a bonus.

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Re: 40 Winks Rom?
« Reply #36 on: April 03, 2019, 04:34 PM »
I would love to see a comparison video between the beta and Piko release... At least then I would be inclined to make a decision on whether it is a worthy purchase, at least from a PAL point of view...
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Re: 40 Winks Rom?
« Reply #37 on: April 10, 2019, 10:52 PM »
I successfully dumped the PAL version of the game.
I used this method. I was so lucky to find a Gameshark pro v3.2 for dirt cheap.
 
http://www.paulscode.com/forum/index.php?topic=810.msg7479#msg7479





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Filename          : 40WINKS.bin
MD5               : b470b6bb0c0be834ff357eb2d6ae9724
SHA1              : 282b97c6a6eb79535e618fc2651b6156fff65ea4
CRC32             : 93c57d0b
SHA-256           : 22a7b4cd12aa5201a36aad38f8205fffc3af4f1dc23b171bcabd6db41f662cbe
SHA-512           : 567e7f37ff311c39b2292236815ae44edc3a9b726ec056d4911e80baaa5c9274ec0198a1fb35a4f91533f2c4662a0837baedc2010a854c27903d1beb97048c5a
SHA-384           : 68ef13eeb6da3465b19d0055a537460b0de9dd4f9dd3fb5421d1dd900041748956b77cf68fa492ce4c0067e417486fb6
Full Path         : C:\Users\Yoda\Desktop\40WINKS.bin
Modified Time     : 14/01/1990 10:01:40
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I will not distribute the game. Piko Iteractive has made it clear that they do not want their games to be shared for free on the web.
http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?29373-Water-Margin-The-Tales-of-Clouds-and-Winds-(by-Piko-Interactive)&p=726967&viewfull=1#post726967
So buy their stuff and thanks Piko Interactive for this game !
« Last Edit: April 10, 2019, 11:33 PM by y0da89 »

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Re: 40 Winks Rom?
« Reply #38 on: April 11, 2019, 03:31 PM »
I successfully dumped the PAL version of the game.

How does the new game differ from the widely available prototype? Can you post screenshots or a description of the differences, please?

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I will not distribute the game. Piko Iteractive has made it clear that they do not want their games to be shared for free on the web.
http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?29373-Water-Margin-The-Tales-of-Clouds-and-Winds-(by-Piko-Interactive)&p=726967&viewfull=1#post726967
So buy their stuff and thanks Piko Interactive for this game !

It's great that you're not going to distribute the rom, as pirating the new 40 Winks would discourage Piko or anyone else from working on new games for the N64. If Piko and other companies realise that there's a fairly small but viable group of loyal N64 fans who are willing to pay for new games then they might be encouraged to write new games, and hopefully make them available as downloadable roms for those of us who want to play the games on flash cartridges such as the Everdrive 64 or the 64Drive

Even if Piko/etc don't want to spend too much time or money creating new games, then they can port older, open source games to the N64, such as System Shock. If you've not played this (and very few people have), it's a fantastic first person explorer/shooter, that was well ahead of it's time when it was released (1994). Unfortunately, it wasn't advertised too well, and had problems running on some PCs, so few people played it (or even heard of it), which was a real shame, as it's a complex, compelling, atmospheric mix of thought and action, as you fight to survive and learn what happened and how to stop it.

Other open source games that I think would be good on the N64 include Shadow Warrior 3D, the Marathon trilogy of first person shooter games, Cave Story, etc.

I know I'm probably just dreaming, but wouldn't it be brilliant if the N64 did start to get new (or ports of old but great) games, download ready, and for a reasonable price?

And really, the N64 deserves to be able to play System Shock! Here's a review of System Shock on the PC. Note that the game is described as the "Enhanced Edition", which is just the original game made to run on all PCs and with better controls (the original controls were difficult to use, it was released before the WASD + mouse control setup became the default standard amongst PC gamers).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr28o6Q28Mk




System Shock is also being remade into a modern PC game, with up to date graphics etc:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdiaIRkjpI0&t=682s



Which, if anyone ported the original game to the N64, would perhaps also serve as a small advert for the N64 version.

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Re: 40 Winks Rom?
« Reply #39 on: April 11, 2019, 07:27 PM »
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Filename          : 40WINKS.bin
MD5               : b470b6bb0c0be834ff357eb2d6ae9724
SHA1              : 282b97c6a6eb79535e618fc2651b6156fff65ea4
CRC32             : 93c57d0b

Nice, now we know both NTSC and PAL roms are the same as the ones play tested last August.

How does the new game differ from the widely available prototype? Can you post screenshots or a description of the differences, please?

Replacing Italian with French is going to be the biggest change that I'm aware of. I never played all the way through the prototype rom though, so I'm not sure of the other differences.
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Re: 40 Winks Rom?
« Reply #40 on: April 12, 2019, 01:01 AM »

How does the new game differ from the widely available prototype? Can you post screenshots or a description of the differences, please?


Unfortunately, I did not play the N64 prototype or even the PS1 version of the game. So I will not be able to tell you what is different.
Furthermore, I do not plan to finish both versions and focus on minor details.  :-\

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It's great that you're not going to distribute the rom, as pirating the new 40 Winks would discourage Piko or anyone else from working on new games for the N64. If Piko and other companies realise that there's a fairly small but viable group of loyal N64 fans who are willing to pay for new games then they might be encouraged to write new games, and hopefully make them available as downloadable roms for those of us who want to play the games on flash cartridges such as the Everdrive 64 or the 64Drive

We can only speculate on that. If there is a downloadable DRM-free copy available for purchase, it will shared for free within days.
It will probably hurt sales and I understand why they prefer to sell physical cartridges only.
I would buy any new game/stuff for the N64 as long as I can get my hands on a physical copy.

If you want to play it on your flash cart for convenience, just dump the rom as I did. The hardware required is not expensive at all.
A computer with a parallel port, a parallel M/F cable and a Gameshark Pro v3.2 will do the trick.


Nice, now we know both NTSC and PAL roms are the same as the ones play tested last August.

Where did you get the details for the NTSC rom ?
To my knowledge, there was no known dump before mine.
« Last Edit: April 12, 2019, 01:07 AM by y0da89 »

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Re: 40 Winks Rom?
« Reply #41 on: April 12, 2019, 03:08 AM »
Where did you get the details for the NTSC rom ?
To my knowledge, there was no known dump before mine.

I passed the info on to Aroenai.  A guy in a chat room passed on the checksums like you did and we were able to confirm the NTSC-U version between us.  Also Aroenai owns an NTSC-U copy, though I don't know if he's dumped it yet. 

By the way, thank you for the checksums, it was helpful to confirm it.
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Re: 40 Winks Rom?
« Reply #42 on: April 12, 2019, 02:01 PM »
You're welcome ozidual.
I wonder what are the differences between the NTSC and PAL version then.
Is there some region restrictions applied ?

Thanks to your informations, I know that I have a proper dump.  ;)

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Re: 40 Winks Rom?
« Reply #43 on: April 13, 2019, 01:04 AM »
I was able to dump mine, yes.

I don't have a PAL n64 to test running NTSC, but the PAL Piko version doesn't have a region block at least. As for differences between the Piko versions, I only noticed adjustments for 50hz / 60hz speed differences and the controller button icons on a few options menus (NTSC has a round icon instead of just the letter).
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Re: 40 Winks Rom?
« Reply #44 on: April 18, 2019, 04:14 PM »
Well as far as I understand it... Piko started out with the PAL version. They then modified it, and tweaked the refresh and display settings to run on NTSC screens (without the 'slowdown' 60 hz rather than 50hz, and in proper resolution).


Of course other changes is the Piko splash screen, and a few credits additions?


Also I think they mentioned 'bug fixes'... but as I don't know what bugs were in older leaked roms… WHo knows...