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Re: Recommended systems
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2017, 12:52 AM »
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Yeah it sounds to me that for analog video the AV Famicom is the best. I guess the biggest issues are the lack of microphone and that it's dodgy to if it'll work on my PAL TV and how I would power it being UK based.
Which would be the best system if you wanted to RGB mod the system? Still the AV Famicom or would the original do better then?
I live in Italy and I use a 2004 Samsung CRT. Pal television built after 1990, as a general rule, all support NTSC. Especially if fed them via composite cable (since the AV Famicom has the Nintendo multiAV, the cable are common, cheap, and you can buy new for a few Euros). For the power supply, I bought one for 12.50€ from retrogamesupply.com.

For the RGB, which I don’t reccomend if you plan to play on a consumer CRT, I think the AV Famicom is THE system to mod, since it already has the forementioned AV multiout found also on the Snes and the N64.

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Re: Recommended systems
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2017, 01:24 AM »
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Yeah it sounds to me that for analog video the AV Famicom is the best. I guess the biggest issues are the lack of microphone and that it's dodgy to if it'll work on my PAL TV and how I would power it being UK based.
Which would be the best system if you wanted to RGB mod the system? Still the AV Famicom or would the original do better then?
I live in Italy and I use a 2004 Samsung CRT. Pal television built after 1990, as a general rule, all support NTSC. Especially if fed them via composite cable (since the AV Famicom has the Nintendo multiAV, the cable are common, cheap, and you can buy new for a few Euros). For the power supply, I bought one for 12.50€ from retrogamesupply.com.

For the RGB, which I don’t reccomend if you plan to play on a consumer CRT, I think the AV Famicom is THE system to mod, since it already has the forementioned AV multiout found also on the Snes and the N64.
Awesome thank you for letting me know. I think mine does as the NTSC mode on Retron HD does work on my CRT just fine. Edit: It actually doesn't work. I get Black and White only which shows it doesn't work from what I've read.

What are the AV Famicom controllers like and do they work on Pal NES systems and the other way around?

Why would you not recommend RGB for consumer CRTs?
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Re: Recommended systems
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2017, 10:06 AM »
I heard that RGB mod may be incompatible with some games, I wouldn't recommend it in general.

AV Famicom controllers are dogbone shaped and no different from other NES controllers without diodes. PAL systems with diodes in the controller port can only use controllers with diodes designed for it, I don't know the details but it's only some regions of PAL NES systems that has these diodes. The AV Famicom, the NTSC NES and the PAL NES systems without the diodes can use any NES controller with or without diodes.

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Re: Recommended systems
« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2017, 12:08 AM »
I heard that RGB mod may be incompatible with some games, I wouldn't recommend it in general.

AV Famicom controllers are dogbone shaped and no different from other NES controllers without diodes. PAL systems with diodes in the controller port can only use controllers with diodes designed for it, I don't know the details but it's only some regions of PAL NES systems that has these diodes. The AV Famicom, the NTSC NES and the PAL NES systems without the diodes can use any NES controller with or without diodes.
Ah I didn't know that. It makes sense though as it changes the ppu.
Ah ok. What are dogbone controllers like to use?

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Re: Recommended systems
« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2017, 06:51 PM »
RGB (Red Green Blue) video signal
output is 1:1 pixel is only good for
*BVM (Broadcast Video Monitors) / VEM (Video Editing Monitors)
*Video Convertor Box (framemeister) / OSSC (Open Source Scan Converter)

CRT (cathode ray tube)  / (customer retail television)
Supports
*low resolution signal only
*Coaxial RF (radio frequency) 
*RCA (Composite / AV)
Not support
**CRT do not support RGB input

HDTV (High-Definition television)
supports
*HDMI (High-Definition Multimedia Interface)
*RCA (Composite / AV) 
Not support
**some HDTV don't support 240p / low resolution signal

video output are converted from the RGB video signal
* Component
* VGA (Video Graphics Array)

**PAL games always run at 50 frames per second regardless video output
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Re: Recommended systems
« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2017, 01:04 PM »
RGB (Red Green Blue) video signal
output is 1:1 pixel is only good for
*BVM (Broadcast Video Monitors) / VEM (Video Editing Monitors)
*Video Convertor Box (framemeister) / OSSC (Open Source Scan Converter)

CRT (cathode ray tube)  / (customer retail television)
Supports
*low resolution signal only
*Coaxial RF (radio frequency) 
*RCA (Composite / AV)
Not support
**CRT do not support RGB input

HDTV (High-Definition television)
supports
*HDMI (High-Definition Multimedia Interface)
*RCA (Composite / AV) 
Not support
**some HDTV don't support 240p / low resolution signal

video output are converted from the RGB video signal
* Component
* VGA (Video Graphics Array)

**PAL games always run at 50 frames per second regardless video output

What the hell are you talking about, every television with a SCART input (so, nearly every Tv ever sold in Europe since the 80s) supports RGB.

This post is full of disinformation, please ignore it.

I don’t reccomend the RGB because it is VERY costly, and you would also fall in the rabbit’s hole of the Nes palette. To put it simple: there isn’t any “perfect” Nes RGB palette.

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Re: Recommended systems
« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2017, 03:48 PM »
RGB (Red Green Blue) video signal
output is 1:1 pixel is only good for
*BVM (Broadcast Video Monitors) / VEM (Video Editing Monitors)
*Video Convertor Box (framemeister) / OSSC (Open Source Scan Converter)

CRT (cathode ray tube)  / (customer retail television)
Supports
*low resolution signal only
*Coaxial RF (radio frequency) 
*RCA (Composite / AV)
Not support
**CRT do not support RGB input

HDTV (High-Definition television)
supports
*HDMI (High-Definition Multimedia Interface)
*RCA (Composite / AV) 
Not support
**some HDTV don't support 240p / low resolution signal

video output are converted from the RGB video signal
* Component
* VGA (Video Graphics Array)

**PAL games always run at 50 frames per second regardless video output

What the hell are you talking about, every television with a SCART input (so, nearly every Tv ever sold in Europe since the 80s) supports RGB.

This post is full of disinformation, please ignore it.

I don’t reccomend the RGB because it is VERY costly, and you would also fall in the rabbit’s hole of the Nes palette. To put it simple: there isn’t any “perfect” Nes RGB palette.

Hi! I have an Analogue Nt Mini connected to an european CRT TV (SCART RGB). The image is awesome, and the system is near pure perfection.

This is true "there isn't any perfect NES RGB palette". But you can switch between all and decide "on the fly" on any moment. For my consumer CRT TV (B&O MX4000) I prefer the Sony CXA2025AS palette.



http://wavebeam.blogspot.com.es/2017/03/wavebeam-nes-palette.html


The Nt Mini has a lot of option to for the HDMI domain: height, width, scaling, scanlines, antialiasing (2xSaI), etc ...


PD: I didn't test the "Everdrive N8" on it because I don't have one. Everdrive N8 brings FDS emulation and savestates that the Nt Mini don't have yet.
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Re: Recommended systems
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2017, 03:44 PM »
Ah ok. What are dogbone controllers like to use?
They are designed to be similar to the SNES controllers so they are more ergonomic than the Famicom that has the cable coming out from the side or the NES controller that has sharp corners. Dogbone is a nickname due to their shape. If you don't like them you can always buy standard NES controllers for your AV Famicom.