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Offline SlippyToadLives

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Benefits to putting X-series v3.04 on v2.5 cart?
« on: September 12, 2020, 09:03 PM »
I have the full sized SD, green PCB (NTSC/PAL physical switch) Mario Galaxy label v2.5

I've been on whatever the last version OS is of that since I got it late last year (I think Black Friday).

What is the benefit to putting the X-series v3.04 firmware on it? Has anyone tried this and had success?

I understand its just dropping files on SD card, so I can always revert, but should I backup game saves to my computer first before trying the upgrade to be sure? What is the save folder again too, on there? Is it self explanatory from navigating the file structure?

Just moved to a new place, so my ED64 is still in a moving box somewhere, otherwise I'd take a look at the structure myself. Just want to know before I dig it up


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Re: Benefits to putting X-series v3.04 on v2.5 cart?
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2020, 05:45 AM »
I have the same ED64 as you, and migrated over fairly painlessly. 

The structure is totally different however each folder has a readme.txt explaining what goes in it. You should replace the NES emulator it comes with with one of the new Neon64v2 builds though.

Another change is that patches (such as aps and ips files) now need to be placed in the same folder as their identically-named ROMs (or they can stay in the 'patcher' folder if they're named their base ROM's CRC-HI). And they don't seem visible in the menu outside of the patches folder, so won't clutter the folders up in actual usage.

It's a better menu. Snappier, with a clearer larger font. Images for custom backgrounds are just 320 x 240 JPGs now rather than 640 x 480 16-bit BMPs, so they take up a fraction of storage space and can still look good.

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Re: Benefits to putting X-series v3.04 on v2.5 cart?
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2020, 06:35 AM »
Would OS for 3.04 also support the older ED64 V2?
I heard the difference between v2.5 and the older v2 is minimal so it could work but you never know.

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Re: Benefits to putting X-series v3.04 on v2.5 cart?
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2020, 06:40 AM »
krikzz stated ED64 v2.0 series is not compatible

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Re: Benefits to putting X-series v3.04 on v2.5 cart?
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2020, 04:37 PM »
Another change is that patches (such as aps and ips files) now need to be placed in the same folder as their identically-named ROMs (or they can stay in the 'patcher' folder if they're named their base ROM's CRC-HI). And they don't seem visible in the menu outside of the patches folder, so won't clutter the folders up in actual usage.

Sorry in advance if this is a stupid question! What are aps and ips files and what is their purpose? I have a v2.5 and some of my games have been patched as .z64 files. Does this mean my copy of "Missing Link," for example, would need to be placed in the same folder as the original Ocarina of Time?

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Re: Benefits to putting X-series v3.04 on v2.5 cart?
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2020, 06:22 PM »
Another change is that patches (such as aps and ips files) now need to be placed in the same folder as their identically-named ROMs (or they can stay in the 'patcher' folder if they're named their base ROM's CRC-HI). And they don't seem visible in the menu outside of the patches folder, so won't clutter the folders up in actual usage.

Sorry in advance if this is a stupid question! What are aps and ips files and what is their purpose? I have a v2.5 and some of my games have been patched as .z64 files. Does this mean my copy of "Missing Link," for example, would need to be placed in the same folder as the original Ocarina of Time?

So the everdrive 64 has the ability to apply the patch for a game without patching the original rom (if I understand correctly). So based on what the previous poster is saying it would appear that your example would be correct.

You can always just patch the rom yourself though and then place the patched version on. Granted I am assuming the patch takes up less space then an entirely new rom.

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Re: Benefits to putting X-series v3.04 on v2.5 cart?
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2020, 01:45 AM »
What about save files for on-the-fly patched ROMs? Do they just share the name of the ROM the patch is applied to? If so, that would still make a good case to use pre-patched ROMs instead.

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Re: Benefits to putting X-series v3.04 on v2.5 cart?
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2020, 01:49 AM »
I have the same ED64 as you, and migrated over fairly painlessly. 

The structure is totally different however each folder has a readme.txt explaining what goes in it. You should replace the NES emulator it comes with with one of the new Neon64v2 builds though.

Another change is that patches (such as aps and ips files) now need to be placed in the same folder as their identically-named ROMs (or they can stay in the 'patcher' folder if they're named their base ROM's CRC-HI). And they don't seem visible in the menu outside of the patches folder, so won't clutter the folders up in actual usage.

It's a better menu. Snappier, with a clearer larger font. Images for custom backgrounds are just 320 x 240 JPGs now rather than 640 x 480 16-bit BMPs, so they take up a fraction of storage space and can still look good.

Snappier in what sense - to launch ROMs?

Also can you take a pic of the menu?

Im very familiar with the old os style menu, since thats all ive used for it.

I'm curious what the new one looks like.

I honestly dont care about NES emu, do I have to change where saves are stored and all that or can I just delete the os folder and replace it with x-series one? Ill keep that In mind for patches, that they have to be in same folder but -- do you mean all .ips have to be in same folder as all the rooms or each rom needs it own folder now?

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Re: Benefits to putting X-series v3.04 on v2.5 cart?
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2020, 09:50 PM »

So the everdrive 64 has the ability to apply the patch for a game without patching the original rom (if I understand correctly). So based on what the previous poster is saying it would appear that your example would be correct.

You can always just patch the rom yourself though and then place the patched version on. Granted I am assuming the patch takes up less space then an entirely new rom.

Great, thanks for this context zaphro. I've been patching roms individually on the computer, then adding them to the ED64. Looks like the new update shouldn't cause any issues with these files!

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Re: Benefits to putting X-series v3.04 on v2.5 cart?
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2020, 10:36 PM »

So the everdrive 64 has the ability to apply the patch for a game without patching the original rom (if I understand correctly). So based on what the previous poster is saying it would appear that your example would be correct.

You can always just patch the rom yourself though and then place the patched version on. Granted I am assuming the patch takes up less space then an entirely new rom.

Great, thanks for this context zaphro. I've been patching roms individually on the computer, then adding them to the ED64. Looks like the new update shouldn't cause any issues with these files!

Nope shouldn't change anything if you have the already patched roms on there. Other then possibly save related. I haven't done it yet to mine, not sure if there is really any benefit to me in doing it right now.

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Re: Benefits to putting X-series v3.04 on v2.5 cart?
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2020, 04:42 AM »
I just reverted mine back down to the original firmware.  The older 2.5 firmware allowed you to change the menu resolution and didn't suffer from the overscan cropping since the rom titles are spaced a little better on the menu. 

I thought that the major benefit of the new firmware is the save handling, but I'm not sure if it is really any different based on testing, but I could be wrong. In any case I may just start loading another rom after making a cart save just to be sure, but at the moment I'm happier using the older firmware.

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Re: Benefits to putting X-series v3.04 on v2.5 cart?
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2020, 07:03 AM »
just put 3.04 on mine and verified thats how its reading in system info

why is my menu looking the same (with 64 controller in background)?

im silly - background : off looks much cleaner (not sure if that was there before or not)

but ips on or off is MUCH better vs two different ips settings that was a bit confusing on the old os
« Last Edit: September 17, 2020, 07:19 AM by SlippyToadLives »

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Re: Benefits to putting X-series v3.04 on v2.5 cart?
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2020, 11:45 AM »
I just reverted mine back down to the original firmware.  The older 2.5 firmware allowed you to change the menu resolution and didn't suffer from the overscan cropping since the rom titles are spaced a little better on the menu. 

I thought that the major benefit of the new firmware is the save handling, but I'm not sure if it is really any different based on testing, but I could be wrong. In any case I may just start loading another rom after making a cart save just to be sure, but at the moment I'm happier using the older firmware.

Same here, reverted to previous firmware. Losing the ability to change menu resolution is problematic for me. Also it's seems that CPak saves can't be found (yes, I copied my saves to the right folder). Maybe related to missing CPak autoload backup functionality ? someone is mentioning this an other post.

(sorry for bad english).

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Re: Benefits to putting X-series v3.04 on v2.5 cart?
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2020, 05:01 PM »
I just reverted mine back down to the original firmware.  The older 2.5 firmware allowed you to change the menu resolution and didn't suffer from the overscan cropping since the rom titles are spaced a little better on the menu. 

I thought that the major benefit of the new firmware is the save handling, but I'm not sure if it is really any different based on testing, but I could be wrong. In any case I may just start loading another rom after making a cart save just to be sure, but at the moment I'm happier using the older firmware.

Same here, reverted to previous firmware. Losing the ability to change menu resolution is problematic for me. Also it's seems that CPak saves can't be found (yes, I copied my saves to the right folder). Maybe related to missing CPak autoload backup functionality ? someone is mentioning this an other post.

(sorry for bad english).

They found the CPak saves in that other thread, just was a little confusing.

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Re: Benefits to putting X-series v3.04 on v2.5 cart?
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2020, 08:39 PM »
OS-V3.05 21.09.2020
1) Fixed broken SRAM saves for v3/v2.5


Oh yeah baby ! Great job from Krikzz as always !

Now we need the option for 480i menu and it will be perfect :P