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I saw a newbie post ask about the possibility of a "N64 Pro" in which another newbie poster responded that they don't think it is likely as the 64 X7 is so good.

So as a newbie that found out about Everdrive a few months ago and now own 3 of them (all Pros), I was wondering what, if any, of the hardware development lines are officially considered complete, with no further reasonable possibility improvement. I would think the SMS, GB, GBA Everdrives would be in this list also. That said, if it wasn't for the Mega Pro coming out (just as I was about to purchase the Mega X7) I would have thought the same of the Mega X7...

Maybe my forum-foo isnt good enough but I am not finding any answer from krikzz or other senior members.

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Re: Is there are "Hardware Developement End" list somewhere?
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2021, 01:30 PM »
The ED64 X7 is quite new so a Pro at this time is unlikely.
It doesn't seem to me to make sense to consider a hardware line complete. Krikzz is making a living on Everdrives. It would be like Nintendo saying that the Switch is their ultimate console and will not make any new consoles, or the PS5 is perfect and Sony won't make a new one.
There are so many things that can still be improved on Everdrives, and as production of older parts are ceasing, Krikzz is forced to make new revisions that uses more modern parts.
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Re: Is there are "Hardware Developement End" list somewhere?
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2021, 04:26 PM »
I was wondering what, if any, of the hardware development lines are officially considered complete, with no further reasonable possibility improvement. I would think the SMS, GB, GBA Everdrives would be in this list also.

The everdrives are only complete when you feel satisfied enough to not change them anymore, normally when a whole rom pack of each one is added to them you would normally call it a day.
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Re: Is there are "Hardware Developement End" list somewhere?
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2021, 07:17 PM »
I think it's unlikely that a new Everdrive 64, with new hardware and features, will be released. The X7 does pretty much everything that's possible via the cartridge port, and (as I understand it, though I might be wrong) the other hardware based features that have been requested from the ED64 over the years, such as

1) Snapshot saving and loading,

2) Being able to directly re-route controller pak save and loading to 'virtual controller pak' files on the ED64's SD card,

and

3) Being able to press a certain combinations of buttons on the ED64's joypad to force the N64 to reset,

are impossible to do no matter what hardware is plugged into the cartridge slot.

On the other hand, the other features that ED64 users request are possible to implement simply by upgrading the ED64's operating system. Things like: being able to show screenshots on the ED64's menu screen, having more Gameshark codes running at once, having full Gameshark code manual entry before you load the game, being able to view a longer text file for any game, the ability to copy or delete individual game-saves from both a real controller pak and a virtual (.MPK) controller pak game-save file on the SD card, and so on.

In fact, even points 2 (re-route controller pak saves directly to a file on the SD card), and 3 (being able to reset the N64 via the joypad) are possible in software, so they don't need any extra hardware. But these latter two points require each game's code to be hacked, which isn't exactly a trivial task.

So it seems unlikely that the ED64 X7 will have it's hardware changed significantly, as it's difficult to think of any improvements that could be made, hardware-wise, to what it can already do. There might well be internal changes to it's hardware, as happened between the version 2 and the version 2.5, but that's only done if the older hardware is being phased out by the manufacturer, or if cheaper other hardware parts become available, etc. These changes don't add new features to the N64, though, and make no difference to the N64's abilities.

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Re: Is there are "Hardware Developement End" list somewhere?
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2021, 04:07 PM »
Thanks to all for the great info.

@nuu, I didn't realize the ED64 X7 was just released. I didn't see a date in the places I looked (or I am just blind) so I assumed it was around the same time as the Mega X7 which had just been updated.

@Richardragon87, That's true. The games seal the deal. I have been very happy with the ones I already have. A big part of the reason I am checking up on this is that I am in the process of acquiring some of the old systems that have disappeared from my collection over the years. I was planned on trying to re-acquire them in order-preference to the "feature completeness" of the current hardware from the opinion of the experts. So I was trying to find a feature road-map chart, feature complete list, or release date list as I can't just buy everything at once.

@Kerr Avon, Thanks for the detailed info on the ED64. Between your and nuu's response. That will be my next purchase.

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Re: Is there are "Hardware Developement End" list somewhere?
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2021, 02:51 PM »
One advantage with the N64 is that most games uses the same type of cartridge. They mostly only vary in the size of ROM, RAM, EEPROM or FLASHROM. This makes it easy to support 99% of the games on the ED64. Compare to the NES which has almost as many types of cartridges as there are games (not really but there are still tons of them). But now and then new N64 games pops up appearing not to work correctly, so we can never be sure how high compatibility really is. Lately Morita Shogi 64, Biohazard 2 and Nushi Tsuri 64 (this one turned out just to not have the correct save type assigned) turned up as games that may not be fully supported.

PC Engine is similar to the N64 in that games almost always uses the same type of Hucard with only ROM varying in most cases. There are a few exception, though most of them are supported by the Turbo Everdrive v2.

SNES is not as complicated as NES, but has many cartridges using a number of different types of co-processors. The FXPAK supports most of them by now.
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Re: Is there are "Hardware Developement End" list somewhere?
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2021, 11:51 PM »
I suggest to just buy the most advanced cartridge at the time (if you have the money) and don't worry about future hardware upgrades. You can always sell your used Everdrive when a new upgraded hardware model is released and recoup some money.
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Re: Is there are "Hardware Developement End" list somewhere?
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2021, 04:49 PM »
One advantage with the N64 is that most games uses the same type of cartridge.

In what respect? As in they don't tend to use add on processors, or they mostly don't tend to include unusual hardware such as a modem port or a microphone port etc?

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Re: Is there are "Hardware Developement End" list somewhere?
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2021, 08:04 PM »
I was wondering what, if any, of the hardware development lines are officially considered complete, with no further reasonable possibility improvement. I would think the SMS, GB, GBA Everdrives would be in this list also.

The everdrives are only complete when you feel satisfied enough to not change them anymore, normally when a whole rom pack of each one is added to them you would normally call it a day.

Agree with this. I stopped trying to always have the "best cart" a while ago.

I was thinking of selling my Mega x7 for a Pro. But I honestly don't have any intention to play CD games (not yet at least). Otherwise, the Mega x7 has all the features I need and plays every game.

Same with the SD2SNES v SD2SNES Pro. I know the Pro is better, but the regular version plays all the games basically. I don't care about adding better music or homebrew. I just try to play as close to the original as possible.

I have a GBAx5 mini coming in. There's a good chance there will be an x7 or Pro version down the line. But honestly, the x5 plays all the games AFIAK. Unless an upgraded version can do something crazy like natively play GB/GBC game, I'm going to stick with the GBAx5.
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Re: Is there are "Hardware Developement End" list somewhere?
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2021, 08:05 PM »
I suggest to just buy the most advanced cartridge at the time (if you have the money) and don't worry about future hardware upgrades. You can always sell your used Everdrive when a new upgraded hardware model is released and recoup some money.
This usually works at well, especially if you are in the US. People are willing to pay a premium here if you ship quickly because they rather not wait for shipping from Ukraine so say a lot of money.
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Re: Is there are "Hardware Developement End" list somewhere?
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2021, 09:07 PM »
History of X series
Because someone call Everdrive version 1 and 2 dangerous
Krikzz prove them wrong by rebuilt Everdrive with electrical safety & power consumption in mind
X3, X5 & X7 naming convention was based Intel and AMD cpu series ending with 3, 5 or 7 series

X3 replaces V1 & X5 replaces V2.

However with Pro series
The Everdrives and sd2snes were turn 10 years old
and component parts for them were hard come by.
Krikzz had to redesign everdrive & sd2snes for modern newer component parts

currently only 3 devices under PRO label are Everdrive N8 Pro, Mega Everdrive Pro and FXPak Pro.

name change sd2snes to fxpak is due SD-3C LLC company was renew word SD and related marks, logos and trademarks.
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Re: Is there are "Hardware Developement End" list somewhere?
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2021, 12:45 PM »
One advantage with the N64 is that most games uses the same type of cartridge.

In what respect? As in they don't tend to use add on processors, or they mostly don't tend to include unusual hardware such as a modem port or a microphone port etc?
That too, but mostly as in there aren't hundreds of different mapping configurations of Nintendo 64 cartridge boards like there are for NES. PC Engine, Mega Drive and Gameboy Advance also uses very uniform cartridges with little variation. Gameboy and SNES has much more variations which emulators and flashcarts needs to emulate in order to support all games. NES is just crazy, often called mapperhell. Probably because Nintendo initially allowed other companies to make their own cartridges for the Famicom, and also because there is such a large Famiclone bootleg market with tons of unlicensed mappers.

This is why Everdrives for PCE, MD, N64 and GBA has very good compatibility with games compared to NES, SNES and GB/GBC. It's simply much easier to have high compatibility on the former ones.

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Re: Is there are "Hardware Developement End" list somewhere?
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2021, 06:06 PM »
Oh, I see. Thanks.

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Re: Is there are "Hardware Developement End" list somewhere?
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2021, 02:16 PM »
This is why Everdrives for PCE, MD, N64 and GBA has very good compatibility with games compared to NES, SNES and GB/GBC. It's simply much easier to have high compatibility on the former ones.

Why did my mind race when I misread that as "This is why Everdrives for PCE, MD, N64 and GBA has very good compatibility with games compiled of NES, SNES and GB/GBC. It's simply much easier to have high compatibility on the format ones.

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Re: Is there are "Hardware Developement End" list somewhere?
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2021, 06:45 AM »
I think it's hard for people to spend money on newer hardware all the time. Maybe the good hardware was probably going to be for years. When it slows down, then he will change it.