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Title: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: Arnold101 on September 24, 2016, 01:54 AM
i got a usa snes SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2 and so playing with sd2snes on it, i noticed on donkey kong country 1 and 2 glitches just after booting the game and in gameplay too


is not the snes console i think because it works perfectly with Original usa cart of yoshi island and mario rpg, even in gameplay

also i played ninja turtles 4 msu version, road blaster, mk3 street fighter 2, mario kart, maui mallard, aladdin, batman returns, earthworm jim 1 2, castlevania on sd2snes and no problems at all.

tried the cart on a jap snes jr and no glitches on donkey kong games. why?


(in game settings are ALL on OFF) firmware 0.17c


thanks 
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: Arnold101 on September 26, 2016, 01:17 AM
is 100% problem of sd2snes software. my snes is a 1990 motherboard usa version and i use donkey kong country usa version. downloaded another rom too. same on dk2
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: adimifus on September 26, 2016, 03:44 AM
What kind of glitches happen? Messed up graphics? Game freezes?

I could be reading your post wrong, but it sounds like you're saying the SD2SNES runs fine in your Japanese Super Famicom, but has problems in your US SNES. That sounds like a console problem to me. Since you're playing relatively high profile games, I think if it were a problem with the SD2SNES, it would have been reported numerous times by now.

Are you using an original power supply for the US SNES or a third party one? Cheap third party power supplies often cause problems with flash carts.

I have a regular Super Famicom and a US SNES Jr I can test those games out on them later when I'm home.
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: ikari_01 on September 26, 2016, 09:29 AM
I don't know why but the US SNESes are nothing but trouble  ::) Is it a 2/1/2 by any chance?
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: Gumball on September 26, 2016, 11:18 AM
I don't know why but the US SNESes are nothing but trouble  ::) Is it a 2/1/2 by any chance?
That's a bit weird. I've never heard of anyone having issues with the Donkey Kong games on the sd2snes. Im sorry to hear the US super nintendos are problematic. I can say tho mine works perfectly. I've never had any issue with my SD2SNES at all.
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: Arnold101 on September 26, 2016, 02:52 PM
I don't know why but the US SNESes are nothing but trouble  ::) Is it a 2/1/2 by any chance?
That's a bit weird. I've never heard of anyone having issues with the Donkey Kong games on the sd2snes. Im sorry to hear the US super nintendos are problematic. I can say tho mine works perfectly. I've never had any issue with my SD2SNES at all.
you have a us snes? i read only jr us snes. i have glitches all over the screen

ikari yes is a 2 1 2 rev
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: Gumball on September 26, 2016, 03:22 PM
I don't know why but the US SNESes are nothing but trouble  ::) Is it a 2/1/2 by any chance?
That's a bit weird. I've never heard of anyone having issues with the Donkey Kong games on the sd2snes. Im sorry to hear the US super nintendos are problematic. I can say tho mine works perfectly. I've never had any issue with my SD2SNES at all.
you have a us snes? i read only jr us snes. i have glitches all over the screen

ikari yes is a 2 1 2 rev
yup my super nintendo is an original US super nintendo. Its also not a 1 chip model either.
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: ikari_01 on September 26, 2016, 03:36 PM
2/1/2 seem to be particulartly error prone, unfortunately I know this only from reports... even the 2/1/2 I had borrowed once didn't have any issues. So I can't really reproduce it.
Does it work with earlier firmware versions? (say v0.1.7b, 0.1.6)?
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: Arnold101 on September 26, 2016, 04:05 PM

Does it work with earlier firmware versions? (say v0.1.7b, 0.1.6)?
not tried
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: ikari_01 on September 26, 2016, 04:43 PM
Could you try?  ;D
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: leonquest on September 26, 2016, 04:57 PM

Does it work with earlier firmware versions? (say v0.1.7b, 0.1.6)?
not tried

Please also share pics, and I will help with the testing. I have 4 different US Snes consoles that I can test both games on. I have:

SHVC-CPU-01
SNS-CPU-GPM-01
SNS-CPU-GPM-02
SNS-CPU-1CHIP-01 ("fat")
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: Arnold101 on September 26, 2016, 05:31 PM

Does it work with earlier firmware versions? (say v0.1.7b, 0.1.6)?
not tried

Please also share pics, and I will help with the testing. I have 4 different US Snes consoles that I can test both games on. I have:

SHVC-CPU-01
SNS-CPU-GPM-01
SNS-CPU-GPM-02
SNS-CPU-1CHIP-01 ("fat")
i'll try soon as hikari said. have you tried donkey kong? my console is SHVC-CPU-01, you'll see the glitches..
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: FrenchyToasty on September 27, 2016, 03:50 AM
Hooks maybe?
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: Arnold101 on September 27, 2016, 03:59 AM
Hooks maybe?
no are all on off.

i found glitches in the zelda fmv video too
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: FeverDrive on September 27, 2016, 08:13 PM
So the lesson is to avoid the US SNES jr. when using the SD2SNES?
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: wprpalmeida on September 27, 2016, 08:30 PM
The SHVC-CPU-01 is the first model of them all, the one with the offboard sound module. I have one and will test as soon as I get home. I don't want to play for a long time though, are these glitches early in the game?
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: Arnold101 on September 27, 2016, 09:39 PM
The SHVC-CPU-01 is the first model of them all, the one with the offboard sound module. I have one and will test as soon as I get home. I don't want to play for a long time though, are these glitches early in the game?
yes. test fmv from link to the past too.
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: wprpalmeida on September 27, 2016, 11:40 PM
The SHVC-CPU-01 is the first model of them all, the one with the offboard sound module. I have one and will test as soon as I get home. I don't want to play for a long time though, are these glitches early in the game?
yes. test fmv from link to the past too.
what fmv? do you mean the MSU-1 hacked one?
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: wprpalmeida on September 28, 2016, 05:17 AM
I have tested all 3 games and everything is working perfectly. My SNES is an american SHVC-CPU-01 unit, 2/1/3, recently re-capped, using an official Power Supply Unit. Is yours 3rd party by any chance?
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: Arnold101 on September 28, 2016, 06:21 PM
The SHVC-CPU-01 is the first model of them all, the one with the offboard sound module. I have one and will test as soon as I get home. I don't want to play for a long time though, are these glitches early in the game?
yes. test fmv from link to the past too.
what fmv? do you mean the MSU-1 hacked one?
yes.


its not the power supply. i use a 9v 2A one that i use on all the console i have...and never a problem

if that was the problem or the snes itself why i have glitches ONLY with this 2 games and fmv?

ALSO my snes is a 2 1 2  NOT 2 1 3
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: wprpalmeida on September 28, 2016, 09:53 PM
I know yours is a 2/1/2 model, that's why I said mine is different. Anyways, 3rd party power supplies can induce all sorts of random problems due to possible out-of-spec EM interference, harmonics etc. As the SD2SNES is a power hungry device (moreso than your average original cart) I'd suggest trying an original Power Supply Unit before delving further into this issue.
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: ikari_01 on September 29, 2016, 01:44 AM
In addition, given that the 2/1/2 SHVC-CPU-01 are probably among the oldest units in existence, it can be assumed that its electrolytic caps have aged significantly. It might be worth checking and/or replacing them, especially the big ones in the power supply section on the SNES PCB.
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: adimifus on September 29, 2016, 01:49 PM
its not the power supply. i use a 9v 2A one that i use on all the console i have...and never a problem

if that was the problem or the snes itself why i have glitches ONLY with this 2 games and fmv?
If you're NOT using an original Nintendo power supply, I highly recommend getting one, as third party power supplies are a crap shoot with the SD2SNES. This is WELL known and understood, which is why I (and many others) mentioned it. Regular games may not show any problems, but the SD2SNES is not a regular game. Many many many many (did I mention MANY?) problems have been solved by this simple change.
A Sega power supply would also a reasonable alternative if it weren't for US consoles using that wonky proprietary plug.

In addition, given that the 2/1/2 SHVC-CPU-01 are probably among the oldest units in existence, it can be assumed that its electrolytic caps have aged significantly. It might be worth checking and/or replacing them, especially the big ones in the power supply section on the SNES PCB.
Also this. The SD2SNES is a MUCH more complicated and sensitive device than any real game cartridge is, so anything even slightly out of spec (whether that be a third party power supply or failing components or whatever) can cause issues.
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: Arnold101 on September 29, 2016, 06:44 PM
i already checked the caps. they are good. the power adapter is much more powerful than a regular snes one, and is a good quality one not chinese...and is 2A. i use it to power md mega cd and 32x at same time.


no other have a us snes 2 1 2 rev?


i have to test soon the old firmwares like ikari said


ALSO..if it was problem of power or the snes i will have glitches on ALL games..not just only 2, i think instead is  problem of sd2snes software
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: adimifus on September 29, 2016, 08:27 PM
ALSO..if it was problem of power or the snes i will have glitches on ALL games..not just only 2, i think instead is  problem of sd2snes software
This is not true. I've heard of people having issues with specific real games with third party adapters. I've heard of people having issues with specific ROMs with the SD2SNES using third party adapters. I've heard of people having issues with specific FEATURES of the SD2SNES with third party adapters. Just because the adapter is outputting ENOUGH power doesn't mean it's CLEAN power. This can cause just as many problems, if not more.

I know there are good third party power adapters available, but using a real Nintendo branded power adapter is always a good starting point. What power adapter do you have, specifically? If you are dead set on not using a real Nintendo branded adapter, or simply can't find one reasonably, maybe others/ikari can see if they have or can get your power adapter for testing.

I personally only use first party adapters for all my consoles now. I've ran into too many problems with third party adapters, I just avoid them whenever possible.
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: lee4 on September 29, 2016, 09:42 PM
its not the power supply. i use a 9v 2A one that i use on all the console i have...and never a problem
krikzz has video on 3rd party power adapter is no good for SD2SNES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhxSkxZgcK4

official original SNES power adapter outputs
10V 0.850A (850mA)

I tested DKC & DKC2 with SD2SNES on SNES mini/jr
I see no glitches or errors
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: Sarge on September 30, 2016, 08:31 AM
Running under voltage could very well cause intermittent issues.  I ran into this trying to power a 32X with an under-voltage adapter.
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: Great Hierophant on October 01, 2016, 08:50 PM
I have a 2/1/2 SNES with the separate APU and I could not observe any glitches on DKC1 or DKC2 after playing for a decent while on my SD2SNES with current firmware.

I used to have a Super Everdrive that would show some glitches in games with this SNES, but not with my 2/1/3 SNES.  I ditched it after getting the SD2SNES and have not regretted it.
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: Arnold101 on October 02, 2016, 06:29 AM
ALSO..if it was problem of power or the snes i will have glitches on ALL games..not just only 2, i think instead is  problem of sd2snes software
This is not true. I've heard of people having issues with specific real games with third party adapters. I've heard of people having issues with specific ROMs with the SD2SNES using third party adapters. I've heard of people having issues with specific FEATURES of the SD2SNES with third party adapters. Just because the adapter is outputting ENOUGH power doesn't mean it's CLEAN power. This can cause just as many problems, if not more.

I know there are good third party power adapters available, but using a real Nintendo branded power adapter is always a good starting point. What power adapter do you have, specifically? If you are dead set on not using a real Nintendo branded adapter, or simply can't find one reasonably, maybe others/ikari can see if they have or can get your power adapter for testing.

I personally only use first party adapters for all my consoles now. I've ran into too many problems with third party adapters, I just avoid them whenever possible.
:) don't think that sega or nintendo OLD adapter are good. for nothing. have you never opened them? they contain a transformer with a capacitor. STOP.
my power adapter is from a router, is all electronic and output 2A and is stabilized at 9volts in load, perfect for every console and i have a lot.
is good on pal and jap snes, the glitch append only to the first us model  snes and only with sd2snes and only with dk games. so is not the adapter at all. i tested a sega mega drive original power trasformer too and glitches append the same way. is the first thing that i tried.
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: Arnold101 on October 02, 2016, 06:31 AM
I have a 2/1/2 SNES with the separate APU and I could not observe any glitches on DKC1 or DKC2 after playing for a decent while on my SD2SNES with current firmware.

I used to have a Super Everdrive that would show some glitches in games with this SNES, but not with my 2/1/3 SNES.  I ditched it after getting the SD2SNES and have not regretted it.
so you have a 212 or 213 us snes? have you never recapped it? what ac adapter you use?

tomorrow ill try to change anyway the big capacitor
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: Arnold101 on October 02, 2016, 06:37 AM

Does it work with earlier firmware versions? (say v0.1.7b, 0.1.6)?
not tried

Please also share pics, and I will help with the testing. I have 4 different US Snes consoles that I can test both games on. I have:

SHVC-CPU-01
SNS-CPU-GPM-01
SNS-CPU-GPM-02
SNS-CPU-1CHIP-01 ("fat")

tested?
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: leonquest on October 02, 2016, 06:54 AM
Not yet. My 2 month old baby occupies 99% of my time. I will try to make some time tomorrow as I'm curious to reproduce these glitches, however, without screenshots from you I won't even know what I'm looking for or where.
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: Arnold101 on October 02, 2016, 03:12 PM
Not yet. My 2 month old baby occupies 99% of my time. I will try to make some time tomorrow as I'm curious to reproduce these glitches, however, without screenshots from you I won't even know what I'm looking for or where.
in the intro and in gameplay...are very visible
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: Great Hierophant on October 02, 2016, 05:41 PM
so you have a 212 or 213 us snes? have you never recapped it? what ac adapter you use?

tomorrow ill try to change anyway the big capacitor

I have one of each, and the SD2SNES works perfectly in each.  Both my consoles use the standard size enclosure with the eject button, no minis.  My 2/1/3 is not a 1-chip console. 
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: leonquest on October 02, 2016, 07:18 PM
Not yet. My 2 month old baby occupies 99% of my time. I will try to make some time tomorrow as I'm curious to reproduce these glitches, however, without screenshots from you I won't even know what I'm looking for or where.
in the intro and in gameplay...are very visible

Hi There,

I managed to test DKC1 using my SD2snes rev f, fw 1.7c, on all of my 4 USA snes consoles, using an OEM PSU, all hooks off, using no intro roms. I found 0 glitches or errors on the intro or in gameplay:

SHVC 2/1/3
FAT 1CHIP 2/1/3
GPM-01 2/1/3
GPM-02 2/1/3


These are the facts of your troubleshooting:

- You are using a high quality PSU
- You have an original SD2snes, not a clone (right?)
- You checked your caps, and they are fine
- Real carts have no problems
- the SD2snes will not show these glitches on your japanese console
- No other games have these glitches

Conclusion:

I'm gonna go with Ikari on this one, and say that all 2/1/2 SHVC consoles are problematic.If you read his blog's faq, it says "Freak SNES: Some consoles exhibit strange timing behaviour or excessive address line noise. Try another console."

My recommendation is that you sell that particular console and get a new one.
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: Arnold101 on October 02, 2016, 08:18 PM
so you have a 212 or 213 us snes? have you never recapped it? what ac adapter you use?

tomorrow ill try to change anyway the big capacitor

I have one of each, and the SD2SNES works perfectly in each.  Both my consoles use the standard size enclosure with the eject button, no minis.  My 2/1/3 is not a 1-chip console.
but 212 is recapped or not?
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: Arnold101 on October 02, 2016, 08:27 PM
Not yet. My 2 month old baby occupies 99% of my time. I will try to make some time tomorrow as I'm curious to reproduce these glitches, however, without screenshots from you I won't even know what I'm looking for or where.
in the intro and in gameplay...are very visible

Hi There,

I managed to test DKC1 using my SD2snes rev f, fw 1.7c, on all of my 4 USA snes consoles, using an OEM PSU, all hooks off, using no intro roms. I found 0 glitches or errors on the intro or in gameplay:

SHVC 2/1/3
FAT 1CHIP 2/1/3
GPM-01 2/1/3
GPM-02 2/1/3


These are the facts of your troubleshooting:

- You are using a high quality PSU
- You have an original SD2snes, not a clone (right?)
- You checked your caps, and they are fine
- Real carts have no problems
- the SD2snes will not show these glitches on your japanese console
- No other games have these glitches

Conclusion:

I'm gonna go with Ikari on this one, and say that all 2/1/2 SHVC consoles are problematic.If you read his blog's faq, it says "Freak SNES: Some consoles exhibit strange timing behaviour or excessive address line noise. Try another console."

My recommendation is that you sell that particular console and get a new one.
address noise i think can be fixed for who knows...


i want to change the big capacitor also
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: Great Hierophant on October 03, 2016, 05:30 PM
Hi There,

I managed to test DKC1 using my SD2snes rev f, fw 1.7c, on all of my 4 USA snes consoles, using an OEM PSU, all hooks off, using no intro roms. I found 0 glitches or errors on the intro or in gameplay:

SHVC 2/1/3
FAT 1CHIP 2/1/3
GPM-01 2/1/3
GPM-02 2/1/3


These are the facts of your troubleshooting:

- You are using a high quality PSU
- You have an original SD2snes, not a clone (right?)
- You checked your caps, and they are fine
- Real carts have no problems
- the SD2snes will not show these glitches on your japanese console
- No other games have these glitches

Conclusion:

I'm gonna go with Ikari on this one, and say that all 2/1/2 SHVC consoles are problematic.If you read his blog's faq, it says "Freak SNES: Some consoles exhibit strange timing behaviour or excessive address line noise. Try another console."

My recommendation is that you sell that particular console and get a new one.

I would disagree, my SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2 (with separate audio module) works fine with the DKC games.  It is not recapped, although that is something I have been meaning to do when I get some proper desoldering equipment.

Checking the caps visually is no substitute for testing the caps.  Caps can begin to fail in non-visually obvious ways.  The ideal way to test caps is to remove them and test their capacitance with a capacitance meter or multimeter out of circuit.  Of course, if you are going to do that you might as well recap the board anyway!  The second-best method is with an ESR meter, but they are quite a bit more expensive than a multimeter. 

Don't give up on your system until you have recapped, it is inexpensive, if time consuming : https://console5.com/store/nintendo-snes-cap-kit-shvc-models.html
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: Arnold101 on October 04, 2016, 04:51 PM
ot: someone know where i can buy cheap power reset button from china?
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: Arnold101 on October 05, 2016, 05:19 AM
changed the big cap, even if it was perfectly good, changed even other 2 smd caps in the power section, still do the same. i think that is definitely the snes version problematic...i hope that ikari can fix this problem in future, i tested a lot of games and never a problem still now

i have to still test the oldest firmware
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: skaman on October 05, 2016, 07:29 AM
Maybe it is a dying CPU.  The original CPUs are failing over time.
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: leonquest on October 05, 2016, 11:22 AM
changed the big cap, even if it was perfectly good, changed even other 2 smd caps in the power section, still do the same. i think that is definitely the snes version problematic...i hope that ikari can fix this problem in future, i tested a lot of games and never a problem still now

i have to still test the oldest firmware

If you want ikari to fix it, then you're gonna have to send him your console because, as he said himself, he has not been able to recreate these issues, even on a 212 SHVC.
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: Arnold101 on October 05, 2016, 02:16 PM
Maybe it is a dying CPU.  The original CPUs are failing over time.
lol
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games
Post by: Arnold101 on October 05, 2016, 02:16 PM
changed the big cap, even if it was perfectly good, changed even other 2 smd caps in the power section, still do the same. i think that is definitely the snes version problematic...i hope that ikari can fix this problem in future, i tested a lot of games and never a problem still now

i have to still test the oldest firmware

If you want ikari to fix it, then you're gonna have to send him your console because, as he said himself, he has not been able to recreate these issues, even on a 212 SHVC.
i know but i can test for him
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: ikari_01 on October 05, 2016, 02:59 PM
Are the glitches still there with v0.1.7d?
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: Arnold101 on October 05, 2016, 07:58 PM
i'll try now
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: Arnold101 on October 05, 2016, 08:27 PM
Are the glitches still there with v0.1.7d?
yes but they appear less often!  :)

also, when the glitches appear at full screen (ALL) the snes not never recovers from glitches, it affect even sd2snes menu after reset. now instead after some seconds the glitches disappear

i can 100% confirm that glitches reduced the amount of times they appear. in the sea level of dk before was often full of glitches, now they are less present
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: OneBagTravel on October 05, 2016, 08:34 PM
I'm still not sure what "glitches" the thread starter is referring to. Are they able to upload a picture?
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: ikari_01 on October 05, 2016, 08:44 PM
Now I'd like to know too, because they shouldn't disappear after a few seconds on their own, unless the console is indeed faulty. Do they really disappear e.g. in the menu, without you taking any action?
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: Arnold101 on October 05, 2016, 09:23 PM
Now I'd like to know too, because they shouldn't disappear after a few seconds on their own, unless the console is indeed faulty. Do they really disappear e.g. in the menu, without you taking any action?
yes. like in mickey mania they appear and disappear, remember?

i can take a video..

if it was the console, the software update do not have improved nothing like i have instead verified.
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: ikari_01 on October 05, 2016, 10:19 PM
A video would definitely be helpful :) The Mickey Mania glitches were due to the in-game hooks so that's a different cup of tea altogether. ;)
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: Arnold101 on October 05, 2016, 11:23 PM
A video would definitely be helpful :) The Mickey Mania glitches were due to the in-game hooks so that's a different cup of tea altogether. ;)
yes i know it was an example :) video ready. glitches have a lot reduced anyway. before update playing the sea level was impossible.

https://youtu.be/5BWwI-RHcPsù

https://youtu.be/VT-BqTKdLv0
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: OneBagTravel on October 06, 2016, 03:55 AM
Wow that's pretty bad. It just strikes me as being a bad connection or PPU though. I can't imagine a graphically issue like that coming from a cart.
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: Arnold101 on October 06, 2016, 04:58 AM
Wow that's pretty bad. It just strikes me as being a bad connection or PPU though. I can't imagine a graphically issue like that coming from a cart.
infact original games have no problem and all the games i played on sd2snes
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: skaman on October 06, 2016, 05:21 AM
You should run the Burn-In Test from the SNES Test Cart to check the console.
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: ikari_01 on October 06, 2016, 10:03 AM
Thanks for the video, that's pretty extreme, though interesting that the CPU doesn't crash at all. The glitched background tiles change in a weird way while scrolling, might be due to some DMA failure during tilemap update, but could as well be some rare PPU issue triggered by DKC's particular VRAM layout/BG/HDMA/math/timing/etc setup.
It would certainly be interesting to see how an original (or plain EEPROM) cart of the same game would behave.
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: Arnold101 on October 06, 2016, 10:51 PM
i have dk original cart but is without cic and don't boot without it

 burn in test first show all pass, after 5 minutes of running it show HV timer fail
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: rafaelalvesals on October 07, 2016, 02:35 AM
i have dk original cart but is without cic and don't boot without it

 burn in test first show all pass, after 5 minutes of running it show HV timer fail

you can burn (or find someone that can do this for you) a pic16f630 with the supercickey and put in your dk cart
https://sd2snes.de/blog/cool-stuff/supercic
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: ikari_01 on October 07, 2016, 06:20 AM
That's not a drop-in solution though because the PICs are not pin compatible, also the SuperCIC key is for 12F629 only and it will need to be wired to the original CIC holes.
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: Oli on October 07, 2016, 10:43 AM
burn in test first show all pass, after 5 minutes of running it show HV timer fail

I've read something about "HV Timer fail" when rom is played from a SD2SNES here :http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=53003 (http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=53003).
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: ikari_01 on October 07, 2016, 10:49 AM
HV Timer test fails only if in-game hooks are enabled. If they are disabled the cause of HV Timer failure isn't the sd2snes.
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: Oli on October 07, 2016, 12:08 PM
HV Timer test fails only if in-game hooks are enabled. If they are disabled the cause of HV Timer failure isn't the sd2snes.

Cool ! Thanks for the clarification... ;)
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: Arnold101 on October 07, 2016, 05:26 PM
burn in test first show all pass, after 5 minutes of running it show HV timer fail

I've read something about "HV Timer fail" when rom is played from a SD2SNES here :http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=53003 (http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=53003).
thanks :) so its normal  ;)
thx hikari too
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: Arnold101 on October 07, 2016, 05:28 PM
That's not a drop-in solution though because the PICs are not pin compatible, also the SuperCIC key is for 12F629 only and it will need to be wired to the original CIC holes.
i can swap mario kart jap cic chip on dk pal cart?

hook disabled now don't fail anymore
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: ikari_01 on October 07, 2016, 07:24 PM
Yes but DKC PAL version might not run correctly on 60Hz console.
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: Arnold101 on October 08, 2016, 12:51 AM
yes i think it have a protection too if i remember correctly
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: Great Hierophant on October 09, 2016, 05:55 PM
I made doubly sure that mine worked correctly :

https://youtu.be/RxL2ftl73xs
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: Arnold101 on October 09, 2016, 10:19 PM
i dont know why mine glitch
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: OneBagTravel on October 09, 2016, 10:22 PM
Hey, what does the 2-1-2 refer to? The chips on the board?
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: skaman on October 09, 2016, 11:41 PM
Hey, what does the 2-1-2 refer to? The chips on the board?
Yes, the chip revisions. CPU, PPU1, PPU2.

If you press X on the SD2SNES menu, select System Information and it will display the revisions on the bottom.
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: ikari_01 on October 17, 2016, 04:15 PM
Also make sure your SNES doesn't look like this: http://smilecitrus.info/?p=3076
:D
(Seriously though, mild cases of such hidden corrosion could trigger unexplained behaviour.) I wonder, soda can clichée aside, if it could be a climate thing...
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: OneBagTravel on October 17, 2016, 05:21 PM
^great blog! Bookmarked.
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: ikari_01 on October 18, 2016, 03:29 AM
https://sd2snes.de/files/v0.1.7d-bustiming/fpga_base.bit
Does this help in any way? I figured cycle end timing could be a bit tight on DMA transfers...
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: skaman on October 18, 2016, 10:47 AM
DogP's page also has some good info on diagnosing problems:  http://projectvb.com/nss/logs.htm
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: OneBagTravel on October 23, 2016, 06:03 AM
DogP's page also has some good info on diagnosing problems:  http://projectvb.com/nss/logs.htm
Good gravy what a great read. These sites are nearly impossible to find via a search engine. They must be buried. This site makes me change my mind about SNES troubleshooting. The Black Screen of Death seems to be associated with a bad CPU not PPU.
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: Arnold101 on December 15, 2016, 04:48 PM
https://sd2snes.de/files/v0.1.7d-bustiming/fpga_base.bit
Does this help in any way? I figured cycle end timing could be a bit tight on DMA transfers...
nope
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: Arnold101 on May 20, 2017, 03:50 AM
with latest firmware E glitches have multiplicated, even in other levels a lot LOL
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: SmokeMonster on May 20, 2017, 08:00 PM
with latest firmware E glitches have multiplicated, even in other levels a lot LOL
Show some respect. Do not LOL the person who is jumping through hoops to help you... ::)

Quote from: Arnold101
i already checked the caps. they are good. the power adapter is much more powerful than a regular snes one, and is a good quality one not chinese
Are you still using an aftermarket PSU? Ikari and others have told you to use an official PSU. This is a confounding factor. Until you do this, you can not receive a proper answer. Also, how did you manage to find a power supply that isn't made in China? Please post a picture of the PSU that you're using.

How exactly did you "test" the caps? Did you pull them, put them on a capacitor tester, and record their ESR? Or did you just look at them and think that visual inspection would suffice? It doesn't.

Several other people are reporting that they have no problems with the exact board revision that you have. I would concur with everyone else who thinks that it's either your aftermarket power supply, failing capacitors, or some other failing component on the PCB.
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: ikari_01 on May 24, 2017, 10:53 AM
There does appear to be some factor that makes the sd2snes more error prone on 2/1/2 consoles, or vice versa.

But these units seem pretty rare to me, looks like they were mostly sold in the US. I've been able to borrow a 2/1/2 US SNES for a couple of weeks but it worked fine and I had to return it afterwards. So far I haven't been able to get my hands on a "quirky" 2/1/2 so I'm simply unable to reproduce the problem and get to its cause.

Might be a special quirk of the PPU2 Rev.2 (though I think that's quite unlikely) or some specific batch of parts used in making the PCBs. Or it might just be coincidence (storage, climate, etc.), who knows  ::)
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: Arnold101 on July 07, 2017, 06:00 AM
i respect hikari and his work, lol is not to him of course.  >:(

is obvious that problems come from sd2nes, in fact with the new firmware is a lot worse now

i changed the capacitor that have leaked many months ago when i was writing here...and the problem was the same with new caps.

the snes is usa version, is the pal power supply compatible with this snes or not? i not mean the plug that is different, i mean electrically. im not using it
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: iwasaperson on July 07, 2017, 06:05 AM
i respect hikari and his work, lol is not to him of course.  >:(

is obvious that problems come from sd2nes, in fact with the new firmware is a lot worse now

i changed the capacitor that have leaked many months ago when i was writing here...and the problem was the same with new caps.

the snes is usa version, is the pal power supply compatible with this snes or not? i not mean the plug that is different, i mean electrically. im not using it
As long as the power supply outputs 7-12v DC, has a rating of 850mA or above (preferably 1A or above), and has the correct polarity, then yes, it will work.
Title: Re: sd2snes and usa snes glitch on donkey kong games SHVC-CPU-01 2/1/2
Post by: ikari_01 on July 07, 2017, 11:37 AM
The PAL power supply outputs AC though, the PAL consoles have an extra rectifier built in :)